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  • Radjab
    Христианин

    • 23 February 2008
    • 10230

    #6541
    We hope all those who intend subscribing for the "Expositor," will forward their names as soon as possible; Editors, Postmasters, and others, to whom the Prospectus, and paper may be sent, will confer a favor upon us, by noticing, exchanging, and circulating the same, in their respective vocations, and forwarding accordingly.

    In consequence of the importance of the cause in which we have engaged, and the assurances we have received from different sources, we have concluded to issue one thousand copies of the first number of the paper, that all who wish, may be supplied, and further, that none may plead ignorance of our complaints, or exonerate themselves from an interest in our behalf. We do not wish, or expect, the publicatin of the "Expositor" to prove a matter of pecuniary profit, neither do we believe the public will suffer it to prove a loss. It is a subject in which we are all interested, more particularly the citizens of this county, and surrounding country; the case has assumed a formidable and fearful aspect, it is nt the destiny of a few that is involved in case of commtion, but that of thousands, wherein necessarily the innocent and helpless would be confounded with the criminal and guilty. We have anxiously desired, and strenuously advocated a peaceable redress of the injuries that have repeatedly been inflicted upon us, and we have now the means in our hands, through which we can peaceably and honorably effect our object. For ourselves, we are firmly resolved not to quit the field, till our efforts shall be crowned with success. And we now call upon all, who prize the liberty of speech,the liberty of the press, the right of conscience, and the sacred rights of American citizenship, to assist us in this undertaking. Let us stand up and boldly and fearlessly oppose ourselves to any and every encroachment, in whatever form it may appear, whether shaped in superstitious domination r civil usurpation. The public abroad have not been informed in relation to facts as they really existed in our midst, many have supposed that all was rumor, and having no organ through which to speak, our silence has been to them sufficient proof.

    The facts have been far otherwise, we havewatched with painful emotion the progress of events in this city, for some time past, until we were sick with the sight; injurt upon injury has been repeated, insult has been added to insult till forbearance has ceased to be virtuous, and we now have the proud privilege, we have long wished for, of defending ourselves against their foul aggressions and aspersions and of informing the public of things as they really are. We intend to tell the hole tale and by all honorable means to bring to light and justice, those who have long fed and fattened upon the purse, the property, andthe character of injured innocence;--yes, we will speak, and that too in thunder tones, to the ears of those who have thus ravaged and laid waste fond hopes, bright prospects, and virtuous principles, to gratify an unhallowed ambition. We are aware of the critical position we occupy, in view of our immediate location; but we entertain no fears, our purpose is fixed [ ] our arm is nerved for the conflict, we [ ] upon ouor rights, and we will maintain those rights, whatever may be the consequence; let no man or set of men assail us at the peril of their lives, and we hereby give notice to all parties, that we are the last in attack, but the first and foremost in defence. We would be among the last to proboke the spirit of the public abroad unnecessarily, but we have abundant assurance, in case of emergency, that we shall be all there.

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    An individual, bearing the cognomen of Jeremiah Smith, who has evaded the officers for some time, has taken refuge in the city of Nauvoo. It appears he is a fugitive from justice for the offence of procuring four thousand dollars from the United States Treasury at the city of Washington, under false pretences. A bill of indictment was found in the District of Columbia against him, and a warrant issued for his arrest. The Marshal of Iowa Territory got intelligence of his being in this place, and procuring the necessary papers for his arrest, proceeded to this place in search of him, about three weeks ago. After making inquiry, and becoming satisfied that he was secreted in Nauvoo, under the immediate protection of the Prophet, he said to him (the Prophet,) that he was authorised to arrest the said J. Smith, for an offence committed by him against the United States government, and wished to know where he was--to which the Prophet replied, that he knew nothing about him. The Marshal said he knew he was secreted in the city, and was determined to have him; and, unless he was given up, he would have the aid of the Dragoons to find and arrest him. Joseph Smith then replied, that was not necessary; but, if the Marshal would pledge his word and honor that he should have the benefit of a city writ of Habeas Corpus, and be tried before him, he would produce the fugitive in half an hour. After some hesitancy, the Marshal agreed to do so, when the prisoner was produced in the time specified. A writ of Habeas Corpus was issued, and the prisoner taken from the Marshal and brought before the Municipal court of Nauvoo for trial. The court adjourned until thursday, the 30th ult., when he was tried, and discharged, as a matter of course. In the interval, however, application had been made to Judge Pope, of the District court of the United States for the State of Illinois, who issued his warrant, directed to the United States Marshal, who sent his deputy to make a second arrest, in the case the other officer did not succeed in taking him from the city. Smith was found by the Illinois Marshal and arrested, when it became necessary for the high corporate powers of the city again to interpose their authority. The potent writ was again issued--the prisoner taken from the Marshal--a trial had, during which, the attorneys for Smith relieved themselves of an insupportable burthen of legal knowledge, which completely overwhelmed the learned court, and resulted in the triumphantacuittal of the prisoner, with a judgement for costs against the U. States.

    Now we ask if the executive and judicial authorities of Illinois deem it politic to submit to such a state of things in similar cases? Can, and will the constituted authorities of the federal government be quiescent under such circumstances, and allow the paramount laws of the Union to be set at defiance, and rendered nugatory by the action of a court, having no more than co-ordinate powers, with a common justice of the peaace? If such an order of things is allowed to exist, there is every reason to believe that Nauvoo will become a sink of refuge for every offender who can carry in spoils enough to buy protection. The people of the State of Illinois will, consequently, see the necessity of repealing the charter of Nauvoo, when such abuses are practiced under it ; and by virtue of said chartered authority, the right of the writ of Habeas Corpus in all cases arising under the city ordinance, to give full scope to the desired jurisdiction. The city council have passed ordinances, giving the Municipal court authority to issue the writ of Habeas Corpus in all cases when the prisoner is held in custody in Nauvoo, no matter whether the offender is committed in the State of Maine, or on the continent of Europe, the prisoner being in the city under arrest. It is gravely contended by the legal luminaries of Nauvoo, that the ordinances gives them jurisdiction, not only jurisdiction to try the validity of the writ, but to enquire into the merits of the case, and allow the prisoner to swear himself clear of the chaarges. If his own oath is not considered sufficient to satisfy the adverse party, plenty of witnesses are ready to swear that he is to be believed n oath, and that is to be considered sufficient by the court to put the uietus on all foreign testimony and the discharge of the prisoner follows, as a necessary conseuence.

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    Joe. Smith--The Presidency.

    We find in the Nauvoo Neighbor of May 29th, a lengthy letter from Joseph Smith a candidate for the Presidency on his own hook, to Henry Clay, the Whig candidate for the same office. It appears to be a new rule of tactics for two rival candidates to enter into a discussion of their respective claims to that high office, just preceding an election. Smith charges Clay with shrinking from the responsibility of promising to grant whatever the Mormons might ask, if elected to the Presidency. Smith has not been troubled with any inquiries of committees as to what measures he will recommend if elected; nevertheless he has come out boldly and volunteered his views of certain measures which he is in favor of having adopted. One is for the General Government to purchase the slaves of the south and set them free, that we can understand. Another is to pass a general uniform land law, that certainly requires the spirit of interpretation to show its meaning as no explanation accompanies it. Another which no doubt will be very congenial to the candidate's nervous system, is to open all the prison doors on the country, and set the captives free. These with some other suggestions equally as enlightened, ought to be sufficient to satisfy any man that Joseph Smith is willing that his principles shall be publicly known. If however any individual voter, who has a perfect right to know a candidate's principles, should not be satisfied, he may further aid his inquiries, by a reference to the record to the grand inquest of Hancock County.

    Martin Van Buren is charged with non-commitalism; Henry Clay has not been the man to answer frankly the question whether he would restore to the Mormons their lands in Missouri. Joseph Smith is the only candidate now before the people whose principles are fully known; let it be remembered there are documents the highest degree of evidence before the people; a committee of twenty-four, under the solemnity of their oaths, have inquired into andreported upon his claims in due form of law. Shades of Washington and Jefferson--Henry Clay the candidate of a powerful party, is now under bonds to keep the peace; Joseph Smith, the candidate of another "powerful" party has two indictments against him, one for fornication and adultery, another for perjury. Our readers can make their own comments.

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    We have received the last number oof the "Warsaw Signal;" it is rich with anti-Mormon matter, both editorial and communicated. Among other things it contains a lengthy letter from J.H.Jackson, giving some itims in relation to his connection with the "Mormon Prophet," as also his reasnos for the same. It will be perceived that many of the most dark and damnable crimes that ever darkened human character, which have hitherto been to the public, a matter of rumor and suspicion, are now reduced to indisputable facts. We have reason to believe, from our aquaintance with Mr. Jackson, and our own observation, that the statements he makes are true; and in view of these facts, we ask, in the name of heaven, where is the safety of our lives and liberties, when placed at the disposal of such heaven daring, hell deserving, God forsaken villains. Our blood boils while we refer to these blood thirsty and murderous propensities of men, or rather demons in human shape, who, not satisfied with practising their dupes upon a credulous and superstitious people, must wreak their vengeance upon any who may dare to come in contact with them. We deplore the desperate state of things to which we are necessarily brought, but, we say to our friends, "keep cool," and the whole tale will be told. We fully believe in bringing these iniquities and enormities to light, and let the majesty of violated law, and the voice of injured innocence and contemned public opinion, speak in tones of thunder to these miscreants; but in behalf of hundreds and thousands of unoffending citizens, whose only fault is religious enthusiasm, and for the honor of our own names and reputatin, let us not follow their desperado measures, and thereby dishonor ourselves in revenging our own wrongs. Let our motto be, "Last in attack, but first in defence;" and the result cannot prove otherwise than honorable and satisfactory.

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    To Correspondents.

    In consequence of a press of other duties in preparing our first number for the press, we have not had time to examine several communications that have been forwarded for publication. We respect the motives of our friends in the interest they manifest in carrying forward the work of reform; but we wish it to be distinctly understood, that we cannot depart from the conditions set forth in the Prospectus; that is the chart by which we intend to navigate the "Expositor," carefully avoiding any thing that may tend to diminish the interest or tarnish the character of its columns. We already feel that we occupy an unenviable position in view of the variety of opinions that exist, but, we stand committed as to our course, and having faithfully and fearlessly adhered to those terms, without partiality to friends, or personality to foes, we shall consider ourselves honorably discharged of duty.

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    We offer an apology to our readers for the want of arrangement and taste in our first number on account of our materials and press not being in order; the shrt time we have had to get a press and materials has precluded the possibility of getting the first number oout according to our wishes, and the absence of the Editor for several days preceding ur first issue, renders this apology necessary. In our subsequent numbers we intend to maake good the insufficiency by giving to our readers a good selection of miscellany, and an editorial of rich and interesting matter.
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    • Radjab
      Христианин

      • 23 February 2008
      • 10230

      #6542
      PROPRIETORS.

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      Circuit Court.

      The May Term of the Circuit Court of this county closed on the 30th ult. after a session of ten days. We understand a large number of cases were disposed of, none, however of a very important character. The cases wherein Joseph Smith was a party, were transferred by a change of venue, to other courts; that of A. Sympson vs. J. Smith, for false imprisonment, to Adams County; that of F. M. Higbee vs. J. Smith, for slander, and that of C. A. Foster vw. Jseph Smith, and J. W. Coolidge for false imprisonment, and that of A. Davis vs. Joseph Smith, and J. P. Green, for trespass, were all transferred to the County of McDonough. The Grand Jury found two bills against Smith, one for perjury, and another for fornication and adultery; on the first of which Smith delivered himself up for trial, but the State not being ready, material witnesses being absent, the case was deferred to the October term.

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      The regular session of the Municipal Court of this City came off on Monday last. The cases of R. D. Foster, C. L. Higbee, and C. A. Foster, on appeals from the Mayor's Court, wherein they had each been fined in the sum of one hundred dollars, "for the very enormous offence of refusing to assist the notorious O. P. Rockwell, and his "dignity" John P. Green, in arresting a respectable and peaceable citizen, without the regular process of papers) and of A. Spencer, wherein he was fined in the same sum on a charge of assault and battery, were all taken up and gravely discussed; after the most mature deliberation, with the assistance of the ex-tinguished City Attorney, this honorable body concluded to dismiss the suit and issue a procedendo to the lower court, which was accordingly done.

      The cases referred to above, afford abundant reason both for complaint and comment. We intend as soon as our time will allow, to express our views freely upon this feature of Mormon usurpation; first, enact a string of ordinances contrary to reason and common sense, and then inflict the severest penalties for not observing them.

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      We see that our friend the Neighbor, advocates the claims of Gen. Joseph Smith for the Presidency; we also see from teh records of the grand Jury of Hancock Co. at their recent term, that the general is a candidate to represent the branch of the state government at Alton. We would respectfully suggest to the Neighbor, whether the two offices are not incompatible with each other.

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      Nauvoo, June 5th, 1844.

      Citizens Of Hancock County.

      It is well known to all of you that the August electin is fast approaching, and with it comes the great and terrible conflict. It is destined to be a day pregnant with big events; for it will be the index to the future. -- Should we be defeated upn that occasion, our die is cast, and our fate is sealed; but if successful, alike may Joseph Smith, Hyrum Smith, and their devoted followers, as well as their enemies, expect that justice will be meted out. The present is portentious of the great effort that is to be made upon that occasion, by Joseph for power; Hiram Smith is already in the field as a candidate for the legislature, but will you support him, that same Hyrum Smith the devoted follower and brother of Joe, who feigned a revelation from God, directing the citizens of Hancock County to vote for J.P. Hoge, in preference to Cyrus Walker, and by so doing blaspheming the name of God? Will you, gentlemen of Hancock County, support a man like that, who claims to move in a different sphere, a sphere entirely above you, one who will trifle with the things of Gd, and feign converse with the Divinity, for the sake of carrying an election? I will unhesitatingly assume to myself the responsibility of answering in the negative. I flatter myself you are not so depraved, and so blinded to your own interests, as to support a man totally ignorant of the laws of your country, and in every respect alienated from you and your interests.

      In supporting Hyrum Smith, you Citizens of Hancock County, are supporting Joseph Smith, for whom he (Hyrum) goes teeth and toe nails, for President of the United States. The question may arise here, in voting for Joseph Smith, for whom am I voting? You are voting for a man who contends all governments are to be put down and the one established upon its ruins. You are voting for an enemy to youor government, hear Phelps to Joe in his affidavit before Judge King of Missouri:--"Have you come to the point to resist all law?" "I have," says Joe. You are voting for a sycophant, whose attempt for power find no parallel in history. You are voting for a man who refuses to suffer criminals to be brought to justice, but in the stead thereof rescues them from the just demands of the law, by Habeas Corpus. You are voting for a man who stands indicted, and who is now held to bail, for the crimes of adultery and perjury; two of the gravest crimes known to our laws. Query not then for whom you are voting, it is for one of the blackest and basest scoundrels that has appeared upon the stage of human existence since the days of Nero, and Caligula.

      In supporting Hyrum Smith, then are you not supporting Joseph Smith? most assuredly; pause then my countrymen, and consider cooly, calmly and deliberately, what you do? Support not that man who is spreading death, devastation and ruin throughout you happy country like a tornado. Infinite are the gradations which mark this man's attempts for power, which if not checked soon, must not only shed a deleterious influence on the face of this county, but on the face of the adjoining counties. He is already proudly boasting that he is beyond your reack; and I regret to think I am under the painful necessity of admitting the fact. Is it not a shame and a disgrace, to think we have a man in our midst, who will defy the laws of our country; the laws which shed so gentle and nourishing an influence upon our fathers, which fostered and protected them in their old age from insult and aggression; shall we their sons, lie still and suffer Joseph Smith to light up the lamp of tyranny and oppression in our midst? God forbid, lest the departed spirits of our fathers, cry from the ground against us. Let us arise in the majesty of our strength and sweep the influence of tyrants and miscreants from the face of the land, as with the breath of heaven. The eagle that is now proudly borne to earth's remotest regions by every gale, will perch himself in the solitude of mid-night if we do not arouse from our lethargy.

      It is the worst of absurdities for any individual to say there is a man in our midst who is above the reach of violated law, and not lend a helping hand; all talk and nothing more will not accomplish that for your country and your God, which the acts of Washington did. Then gentlemen organize yourselves and prepare for the dreadful conflict in August; we go with you heart and hand, in the attempt to suppress this contaminating influence which is prostrating our fairest prospects, and spreading desolation throughout our vale. Call into the field your best men under the solemn pledge to go for the undconoditional repeal of the Nauvoo Charter, and you have our support; whether they be Whig or Democrat we care not; when a friend presents us with a draught of cool water, we do not stop to inquire whether it is contained in a silver vase, a golden urn or a long handled gourd. We want no base seducer, liar and perjured representative, to represent us in Springfield, but while Murrill represents Tennessee in Nashville, Munroe Edwards, New York, in Sing Sing, Br. Joseph may have the extreme goodness to represent Illinois in Alton, if his lawyers do not succeed in quashing the indictments found against him by the Grand Jurors of Hancock County, at the May term 1844.

      FRANCIS M. HIGBEE.

      The Mormons.

      We last week gave some account of the dissensions and divisions which have sprung up in the holy city of Nauvoo -- growing out of the arbitrary conduct of "the Prophet." -- Since then, the breach has become still wider between the head of the church and his followers. The citizens have procured a press, and will soon cmmence a paper, for the purpose of exposing Smith on his own ground and among his own people. Last week, individuals of the Mormon faith, (Messrs. Blakesley and Higbee,) representing the dissenters, addressed a large number of our citizens, in reference to the "flare up," at Nauvoo. We were not present, but have it from others who were, that the dissenters, made out that Joe Smith was pretty much of a rough customer, especially in relation to the "spiritual wife" dictrine. Their whole aim was principally against the church -- of which they still claimed to be members. They painted Smith, as any thing but the saint he claims to be -- and as a man, to the last degree, corrupt in his morals and religion. On Wednesday night, Mr. John P. Green, a Mormon elder, addressed a crowded house in defence of "the Prophet." The principal portion of the worthy elder's speech, while we were in the house, was taken up, in an apology for addressing the meeting, and when he did come to the substance of his address, he could only disprove the statements made by the dissenters, from his own knowledge -- he said he had been a Mormon for the last twelve years -- and had always been intimate with Smith, and that such doctrines as were ascribed to Smith by his enemies, had never been taught to him. He further said that Smith was like a diamond, the more he was rubbed, the brighter he appeared -- and he strongly insinuated, that the characters of the individuals, who had assailed Smith on the second evening previous, were none of the best, &c.

      We think these Mormon Missionaries are laaboring under a mistake in one particular. It is not so much the particular doctrines, which Smith upholds and practices, however abominable they may be in themselves, that our citizens care about -- as it is the anti-republican nature of the organizatin, over which he has almost supreme control -- and which is trained and disciplined to act in accordance with his selfish will. The spectacle presented in Smith's case of a civil, ecclesiastical and military leader, united in one and the same person, with power over life and liberty, can never find favor in the minds of sound and thinking Republicans. The day has gone by when the precepts of Divine Truth, could be propagated at the point of the sword -- or the Bible made the medium of corrupt men to gratify their lustful appetites and sordid desires--[Quincy Whig.

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      We have received from Nauvoo a Prospectus for a new paper, to be entitled the "Nauvoo Expositor." It is intended to be the organ of the Reformed Mormon Church, which has lately been organized in that place, and to oppose the power of `the self-constituted Monarch,' who has assumed the government of the Holy City. We care no more aboout the New Church than the Old one, as a church; for we regard both with indifference. But if it can be a means of humbling the haughty miscreant who rules in that city and exposing his rank villianies, than we shall wish both Church and Paper a hearty God speed! The gentlemen who have the new paper in charge, have the reputation of being men of character and talent; and have commenced the work in which they are engaged, in real earnest. We hope the public will encourage their effort. -- Upper Mississippian.

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      Extract From "Gen. Smiths Views."

      "The people may have faults but they never should be trifled with. I think Mr. Pitt's quotation in the British Parliament of Mr. Prior's couplet for the husband and wife, to apply to the course which the king and ministry of England should pursue to the then colonies, of the now United States, might be a genuine rule of action for some of the breath made men in high places, to use towards the posterity of that noble daring people.

      "Be to her faults a little blind;
      Be to her virtues very kind."

      "We have had democratic presidents; whig presidents; a pseudo democratic whig president: and now it is time to have a president of the United States; and let the people of the whole union, like the inflexible Romans, whenever they find a promise made by a candidate, that is not practiced as an officer, hurl the miserable sycophant from his exaltation, as God did Nebuchadnezzar, to crop the grass of the field, with a beast's heart among the cattle.

      "Mr. Van Buren said in his inaugural address, that he went "into the presidential chair the inflexible and uncompromising oppnent of Cngress, to abolish slavery in the District of Columbia, against the wishes of the slave holding states; and also with a determination equally decided to resist the slightest interference with it in the states where it exists." Poor little Matty made his rhapsodical sweep with the fact before his eyes, that the state of New York, his native state, had abolished slavery, without a struggle or a groan. Great God, ow independent! From henceforth slavery is tolerated where it exists: constitution or no constitution; people or no people; right or wrong; vox Matti; vox Diaboli: "the voice of Matty" -- "the voice of the devil;" and peradventure, his great "Sub-Treasury" scheme was a piece of the same mind: but the man and his measures have such a striking resemblance to the anecdote of the Welchman and his cart-tongue, that, when the constitution was so long that it allowed slavery at the capital of a free people, it could not be cut off; but when it was short that it needed a Sub-Treasury, to save the funds of the nation, it could be spliced! Oh, granny what a long tale our puss has got! As a Greek might say, hysteron proteron: The cart before the horse: but his mighty whisk through the great national fire, for the presidential chesnuts, burnt the locks of his glory with the blaze of his folly!

      The above we extract from the celebrated state paper, entitled, "Gen. Smiths' views of the powers and policy of the Government of the United States," as a specimen of the original matter it contains. -- With such astute penetrating views, such exalted and dignified sentiments, emanating from a candidate for the Presidency, Father Miller must be pronounced a humbug, and the people of the nineteenth century may look for the dawn of a glorious era to burst upon their astonished vision in the fall of eighteen hundred and forty-four, an era in which a Prophet only can tell whether granny's cat has a long tail or not; or whether the Greek`s cart will be before the horse or otherwise; the constitution we presume will be as long as the Welchman's cart tongue, "peradventure" a little longer.

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      • Radjab
        Христианин

        • 23 February 2008
        • 10230

        #6543
        Prospectus Of The Nauvoo Expositor.

        The undersigned propose publishing a Journal of the above title, which will appear on Friday of each week, on an Imperial sheet, with a new Press, and materials of the best quality, and rendered worthy of the patronage of a discerning and an enlightened public.

        The Expositor will be devoted to a general diffusion of useful knwledge, and its columns open for the admission of all courteous communications of a Religious, Moral, Social, Literary, or Political character, without taking a decided stand in favor of either of the great Political parties of the country. A part of its columns will be devoted to a few primart objects, which the Publishers deem of vital importance to the public welfare. Their particular locality gives them a knowledge of the many gross abuses exercised under the pretended authorities of the Nauvoo City Charter, by the legislative authorities of said city; and the insupportable oppressions of the Ministerial powers in carrying out the unjust, illegal, and unconstitutional ordinances of the same. The publishers, therefore, deep it a sacred duty they owe to their country and their fellow citizens, to advocate, through the columns of the Expositor, the UNCONDITIONAL REPEAL OF THE NAUVOO CITY CHARTER; to restrain and correct the abuses of the Unit Power; to ward off the Iron Rod which is held over the devoted heads of the citizens of Muavo and the surrounding country; to advocate unmitigated disobedience to Political Revelations, and to censure and decry gross moral imperfections wherever found, either in the Plebian, Patrician, or self-constituted Monarch; to advocate the pure principles of morality, the pure principles of truth; designed not to destroy, but strengthen the main-spring of God's moral government; to advocate, and exercise, the freedom of speech in Nauvoo, independent of the ordinances abridging the same; to give free toleration to every man's religious sentiments, and sustain all in worshiping God according to the monitons of their consciences, as guarantied by the Constitution of our country; and to oppose, with uncompromising hostility, any Union of Church and State, or any preliminary step tending to the same; to sustain all, however humble, in their equal and cnstitutional rights, and oppose the sacrifice of the Liberty, the Property, and the Happiness of the many to the pride and ambition of the few. In a word, to give a full, candid, and succinct statement of facts as they exist in the city of Nauvoo, fearless of whose particular case they may apply, being governed by the laws of Editorial courtesy, and the inherent dignity which is inseparable from honorable minds; at the same time exercising their own judgment in cases of flagrant abuses, or moral delinquencies; to use such terms and names as they deem proper, when the object is of such high importance that the end will justify the means. We confidently look to an enlightened public for aid in this great and indispensable effort.

        The columns of the Expositor will be open to the discussion of all matters of public interest, the productions of all correspondents being subject to the decision of the Editor alone, who shall receive or reject at his option. National questions will be in place, but no preference given to either of the political parties. The Editorial department will contain the political news of the day, proceedings of Congress, election returns, &c., &c. Room will be given for articles on Agriculture, the Mechanic Arts, Commercial transactions, &c.

        The publishers bind themselves to issue the paper weekly for one year, and forward fifty-two copies to each subscriber during the year. Orders should be forwarded as soon as possible, that the publishers may know what number of copies to issue. The publishers take pleasure in announcing to the public, that they have engaged the services of SYLVESTER EMMONS, Esq., who will have entire charge of the editorial department. From an acquaintance with the dignity of character, and literary qualifications of this gentleman, they feel assured that the Nauvoo Expositor must and will sustain a high and honorable reputation.

        Terms
        Two Dollars perannum in advance,
        Two Dollars and Fifty cents at the expiration of six months,
        Three Dollars at the end of the year.
        Six copies will be forwarded to one address for Ten dollars in advance; Thirteen copies for Twenty Dollars, &c.
        Advertising and Job Work in all their varieties, done on short notice, and upon the most satisfactory terms.
        All letters and communications must be addressed to "Charles A. Foster, Nauvoo, Illinois," post paid, in order to insure attention.William Law,
        Wilson Law,
        Charles Ivins,
        Francis M. Higbee,
        Chauncey L. Higbee,
        Robert D. Foster,
        Charles A. Foster. }
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        • JURINIS
          Ветеран

          • 30 October 2008
          • 5881

          #6544
          Уважаемым из Церкви Иисуса Христа.

          Ответьте мне на вопрос: проповедывал ли Христос иерархичность в церкви?
          Приведите мне слова Иисуса Христа об этом. Приведите мне слова Христа о пасторах, священнослужителях, об учителях. Но только слова Иисуса Христа, потому что Он - Господь и только Он.

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          • Иерушалайм
            Ветеран

            • 08 November 2005
            • 3187

            #6545
            Сообщение от JURINIS
            Ответьте мне на вопрос: проповедывал ли Христос иерархичность в церкви?
            Приведите мне слова Иисуса Христа об этом. Приведите мне слова Христа о пасторах, священнослужителях, об учителях. Но только слова Иисуса Христа, потому что Он - Господь и только Он.
            Вы перестали доверять Апостолу Павлу?
            Почему?
            Я являюсь членом Церкви Иисуса Христа Святых последних дней.

            Для того, чтобы попасть в РАЙ одной религии, нужно попасть в АД всех остальных (шутка;) ).

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            • Elder
              LDS

              • 29 August 2003
              • 1848

              #6546
              Сообщение от JURINIS
              Ответьте мне на вопрос: проповедывал ли Христос иерархичность в церкви?
              Приведите мне слова Иисуса Христа об этом. Приведите мне слова Христа о пасторах, священнослужителях, об учителях. Но только слова Иисуса Христа, потому что Он - Господь и только Он.
              Иисус Христос учредил кворум 12 апостолов и кворумы 70. Апостолам он дал права и полномочия управлять Церковью, об этом есть в Библии прямая речь Иисуса. Так что Павел, будучи апостолом Иисуса Христа имел власть не только говорить от имени Иисуса, а и заниматься церковной организацией.
              Si Deus Nobiscum quis contra nos

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              • JURINIS
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                • 30 October 2008
                • 5881

                #6547
                Сообщение от Иерушалайм
                Вы перестали доверять Апостолу Павлу?
                Почему?
                Доверять людям можно (а таким как Апостол Павел - нужно), верить же можно только Господу и Богу и еще в Евангелие. Но не желаете ли ответить на мою просьбу?

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                • JURINIS
                  Ветеран

                  • 30 October 2008
                  • 5881

                  #6548
                  Сообщение от Elder
                  Иисус Христос учредил кворум 12 апостолов и кворумы 70. Апостолам он дал права и полномочия управлять Церковью, об этом есть в Библии прямая речь Иисуса. Так что Павел, будучи апостолом Иисуса Христа имел власть не только говорить от имени Иисуса, а и заниматься церковной организацией.
                  я просил привести слова Христа из Его проповедей и наставлений о иерархии в церкви. Что поручено избранным ученикам, апостолам Христа пасти овец Его и проповедывать Евангелие всем до края земли мне известно. Но прошу вас привести Слово Его о пастырях, священниках, учителях и об иерархическом устройстве церкви.

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                  • Elder
                    LDS

                    • 29 August 2003
                    • 1848

                    #6549
                    Сообщение от JURINIS
                    я просил привести слова Христа из Его проповедей и наставлений о иерархии в церкви. Что поручено избранным ученикам, апостолам Христа пасти овец Его и проповедывать Евангелие всем до края земли мне известно. Но прошу вас привести Слово Его о пастырях, священниках, учителях и об иерархическом устройстве церкви.
                    А в Библии есть прямая речь Христа? Его слова в любом случае передают либо евангелисты либо апостолы. Если у вас есть основания доверять авторам Библии, которые рассказывают о Его проповедях? Тогда почему вы не доверяете их же словам, о том, каким образом Иисус организовывал Церковь.
                    Вы хотели поставить невыполнимую задачу? У меня есть прямая речь Иисуса Христа об правильной организации Церкви. Но это очень большая цитата - целый раздел 20 из Учений и Заветов. Хотите познакомиться?
                    Si Deus Nobiscum quis contra nos

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                    • Иерушалайм
                      Ветеран

                      • 08 November 2005
                      • 3187

                      #6550
                      Сообщение от JURINIS
                      Доверять людям можно (а таким как Апостол Павел - нужно), верить же можно только Господу и Богу и еще в Евангелие. Но не желаете ли ответить на мою просьбу?
                      Вы доверяете Библии?
                      Я являюсь членом Церкви Иисуса Христа Святых последних дней.

                      Для того, чтобы попасть в РАЙ одной религии, нужно попасть в АД всех остальных (шутка;) ).

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                      • Иерушалайм
                        Ветеран

                        • 08 November 2005
                        • 3187

                        #6551
                        Сообщение от JURINIS
                        я просил привести слова Христа из Его проповедей и наставлений о иерархии в церкви. Что поручено избранным ученикам, апостолам Христа пасти овец Его и проповедывать Евангелие всем до края земли мне известно. Но прошу вас привести Слово Его о пастырях, священниках, учителях и об иерархическом устройстве церкви.
                        Не думаю, что в Библии есть прямые слова Христа по поводу устроения и организации Церкви. Единственное, что я помню, так это слова Христа к Петру, где Он говорит ему, что на сем камне Он создаст Церковь Свою. Остальное же знание об устройстве Церкви Иисуса Христа мы узнаём из слов Его Апостолов.
                        Цитата из Библии:
                        К Ефесянам 4
                        11. И Он поставил одних Апостолами, других пророками, иных Евангелистами, иных пастырями и учителями,
                        12. К совершенствованию святых, на дело служения, для созидания тела Христова.


                        Не знаю, почему Вас так пугает слово "иерархия", хотя оно и не нами (мормонами) здесь предложено, но Церковь Иисуса Христа должна быть правильно организована. Нет иерархии - будет анархия.
                        Я являюсь членом Церкви Иисуса Христа Святых последних дней.

                        Для того, чтобы попасть в РАЙ одной религии, нужно попасть в АД всех остальных (шутка;) ).

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                        • SCH
                          Ветеран

                          • 25 April 2002
                          • 1058

                          #6552
                          Сообщение от Иерушалайм
                          Читайте и наслаждайтесь.




                          привет Иерушалайм .
                          Понаслаждавшись здесь, этим куда - в "целе", в "терро"или в "теле"?
                          Кстати, уточни пожалуйста, кому "во внешнюю"?

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                          • JURINIS
                            Ветеран

                            • 30 October 2008
                            • 5881

                            #6553
                            Сообщение от Иерушалайм
                            Не думаю, что в Библии есть прямые слова Христа по поводу устроения и организации Церкви. Единственное, что я помню, так это слова Христа к Петру, где Он говорит ему, что на сем камне Он создаст Церковь Свою. Остальное же знание об устройстве Церкви Иисуса Христа мы узнаём из слов Его Апостолов.
                            Цитата из Библии:
                            К Ефесянам 4
                            11. И Он поставил одних Апостолами, других пророками, иных Евангелистами, иных пастырями и учителями,
                            12. К совершенствованию святых, на дело служения, для созидания тела Христова.


                            Не знаю, почему Вас так пугает слово "иерархия", хотя оно и не нами (мормонами) здесь предложено, но Церковь Иисуса Христа должна быть правильно организована. Нет иерархии - будет анархия.
                            Нет-нет, я убедительно прошу вас привести именно Христовы слова о пасторах, учителях, о взаимоотношении между братьями во Христе и должна ли быть в этих взаимоотношения иерархия.
                            Вы с Элдером, как представители церкви, которая имеет такое замечательное: Церковь Иисуса Христа, должны знать как устроена Церковь Господа Иисуса, так как у вас кроме Библии есть еще одна важная книга - "Книга Мормона".

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                            • JURINIS
                              Ветеран

                              • 30 October 2008
                              • 5881

                              #6554
                              Сообщение от Elder
                              А в Библии есть прямая речь Христа? Его слова в любом случае передают либо евангелисты либо апостолы. Если у вас есть основания доверять авторам Библии, которые рассказывают о Его проповедях? Тогда почему вы не доверяете их же словам, о том, каким образом Иисус организовывал Церковь.
                              Вы хотели поставить невыполнимую задачу? У меня есть прямая речь Иисуса Христа об правильной организации Церкви. Но это очень большая цитата - целый раздел 20 из Учений и Заветов. Хотите познакомиться?
                              Вот и вам снова говорю: пожалуйста приведите только слова Христа из Евангелия или из Книги Мормона, если таковы имеются, о пасторах, учителях и о взаимоотношениях Его учеников между собой. Не ужели не сможете?

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                              • Elder
                                LDS

                                • 29 August 2003
                                • 1848

                                #6555
                                Сообщение от JURINIS
                                Вот и вам снова говорю: пожалуйста приведите только слова Христа из Евангелия или из Книги Мормона, если таковы имеются, о пасторах, учителях и о взаимоотношениях Его учеников между собой. Не ужели не сможете?
                                Вот вам цитата из Книги Мормона
                                3 Neph: 1aAnd it came to pass that when Jesus had spoken these words unto Nephi, and to those who had been called, (now the number of them who had been called, and received power and authority to bbaptize, was ctwelve) and behold, he stretched forth his hand unto the multitude, and cried unto them, saying: dBlessed are ye if ye shall give heed unto the words of these twelve whom I have echosen from among you to minister unto you, and to be your servants; and unto them I have given power that they may baptize you with water; and after that ye are baptized with water, behold, I will baptize you with fire and with the Holy Ghost; therefore blessed are ye if ye shall believe in me and be baptized, after that ye have seen me and know that I am.
                                "Благословенны вы, если обратите внимание на слова этих двеннадцати, которых Я выбрал среди вас священнослужить вам и быть вашими слугами; и я им дал власть, чтобы они могли крестить вас водой; и после того, как вы будетет крещены водой, Я крещу вас огнём и Святым Духом..."
                                Иисус говорит о важности апостолов, даёт им власть священнослужить и совершать обряды и призывает слушать их.
                                3 Neph.27: 21Verily, verily, I say unto you, this is my agospel; and ye know the things that ye must bdo in my church; for the works which ye have seen me do that shall ye also do; for that which ye have seen me do even that shall ye do;
                                22Therefore, if ye do these things blessed are ye, for ye shall be lifted up at the last day.
                                23aWrite the things which ye have seen and heard, save it be those which are bforbidden.
                                24Write the works of this people, which shall be, even as hath been written, of that which hath been.
                                25For behold, out of the books which have been written, and which shall be written, shall this people be ajudged, for by them shall their bworks be known unto men.
                                26And behold, all things are awritten by the Father; therefore out of the books which shall be written shall the world be judged.
                                27And know ye that aye shall be bjudges of this people, according to the judgment which I shall give unto you, which shall be just. Therefore, what cmanner of men ought ye to be? Verily I say unto you, even das I am.
                                Иисус даёт наставление апостолам, что они должны делать в Церкви и какими быть. Он даёт им полномочия быть судьями этого народа.
                                О том, что Церковь, или Его организация, должна быть, Он говорил совершенно однозначно:
                                Цитата из Библии:
                                Мт. 16:15 Он говорит им: а вы за кого почитаете Меня?
                                16 Симон же Петр, отвечая, сказал: Ты - Христос, Сын Бога Живаго.
                                17 Тогда Иисус сказал ему в ответ: блажен ты, Симон, сын Ионин, потому что не плоть и кровь открыли тебе это, но Отец Мой, Сущий на небесах;
                                18 и Я говорю тебе: ты - Петр, и на сем камне Я создам Церковь Мою, и врата ада не одолеют ее;
                                19 и дам тебе ключи Царства Небесного: и что свяжешь на земле, то будет связано на небесах, и что разрешишь на земле, то будет разрешено на небесах.

                                Это - прямая речь, если вы доверяете Матфею.
                                Иисус говорил о том, что Он создаст свою Церковь. Говорит, что мы должны слушать апостолов, которых Он призвал, которым даёт полномочия совершать обряды, священнослужить, судить, связывать и разрешать. В Учениях и Заветах Иисус подробно рассказывает о принципах организации Церкви, о двух священствах, чинах в священстве и призваниях.
                                Мы вам дали кучу цитат из разных книг, у меня просьба к вам: приведите хотя бы одно подтверждение из Священных писаний (не важно, из чьих усто оно звучало бы) о том, что церковная организация не нужна, что никто никому не должен служить (то есть не нужны священнослужители), учить (не нужны учителя), проповедовать (не нужны евангилисты, миссионеры, семидесятники), руководить (не нужны апостолы). Покажите мне хоть намёк, а то игра в одни ворота начинается.
                                Si Deus Nobiscum quis contra nos

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