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P. S. А почему Вы ник свой пишете по-венгерски?
P. S. А почему Вы ник свой пишете по-венгерски?
А я и не знала, что я звучу по-венгерски, так уж вышло само собой, это вообще-то не мое имя. Да, возможно вы правы относительно всех пророков, я только не знаю этих Благовестников, я пока еще новичок, наверное вы знаете о чем говорите. Уверена, ваше знание языков помогает вам в этом лабиринте идей, религий и понятий. Приятно познакомиться! Можно с вами поделиться этим? Только вчера получила, понравилось: On belief in God
Questioner : Belief in God has been a powerful incentive for a better
living. Why do you deny God? Why do you not try to revive man' s
faith in the idea of God?
Mr. K: Let us look at the problem widely and intelligently. I am not
denying God --it would be foolish to do so. Only the man who does not
know reality indulges in meaningless words. The man who says he knows,
does not know; the man who is experiencing reality from moment to
moment has no means of communicating that reality.
Belief is a denial of truth, belief hinders truth; to believe in
God is not to find God. Neither the believer nor the non- believer will
find God; because reality is the unknown, and your belief or non-belief
in the unknown is merely a self-projection and therefore not real. I
know you believe and I know it has very little meaning in your life.
There are many people who believe; millions believe in God and take
consolation. First of all, why do you believe? You believe because It
gives you satis-
faction, consolation, hope, and you say it gives significance to life.
Actually your belief has very little significance, because you believe
and
exploit, you believe and kill, you believe in an universal God and
murder
each other. The rich man also believes in God; he exploits ruthlessly,
accumulates money, and then builds a temple or becomes a philanthro-
pist.
The men who dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima said that God
was with them; those who flew from England to destroy Germany said
that God was their co-pilot. The dictators, the prime ministers, the
generals, the presidents, all talk of God, they have immense faith in
God. Are they doing service, making a better life for men? The people
who say they believe in God have destroyed half the world and the
world is in complete misery. Through religious intolerance there are
divisions of people as believers and non-believers, leading to
religious
wars. It indicates how extraordinarily politically minded you are.
Is belief in God "a powerful incentive to better living"? Why
do
you want an incentive to better living? Surely, your incentive must be
your own desire to live cleanly and simply, must it not? If you look to
an incentive, you are not interested in making life possible for all,
you
are merely interested in your incentive, which is different from mine--
and we will quarrel over the incentive. If we live happily together not
because we believe in God but because we are human beings, then we
will share the entire means of production in order to produce things
for all.
Through lack of intelligence we accept the idea of a super-intelligence
which we call God; but this God, this super-intelligence, is not going
to give us a better life. What leads to a better life is intelligence;
and there
cannot be intelligence if there is belief, if there are class
divisions, if the
means of production are in the hands of a few, if there are isolated
na-
tionalities and sovereign governments. All this obviously indicates
lack
of intelligence and it is the lack of intelligence that is preventing a
better living, not non-belief in God.
You all believe in different ways, but your belief has no reality
what-
soever. Reality is what you are, what you do, what you think, and your
belief in God is merely an escape from your monotonous, stupid and
cruel life. Furthermore, belief invariably divides people: there is the
Hindu, the Buddhist, the Christian, the communist, the socialist, the
capitalist and so on. Belief, idea, divides; it never bring people
together.
You may bring a few people together in a group but that group is oppo-
sed to another group. Ideas and beliefs are never unifying; on the con-
trary they are separative, disintegrating and destructive. Therefore
your belief in God is really spreading misery in the world; though it
may have brought you momentary consolation, in actuality it has brought
you more misery and destruction in the form of wars, famines, class-
divisions and the ruthless action of separate individuals. So your
belief
has no validity at all. If you really believe in God, if it were a real
ex-
perience to you, then your face would have a smile; you would not be
destroying human beings.
Now, what is reality, what is God? God is not the word, the word
is not the thing. To know that which is immeasurable, which is not of
time, the mind must be free of time, which means the mind must be
free from all thought, from all idea bout God. What do you know about
God or truth? You do not really know anything about that reality. All
that you know are words, the experiences of others or some moments
of rather vague experience of your own. Surely that is not God, that
is not reality, that is not beyond the field of time. To know that
which
is beyond time, the process of time must be understood, time being
thought, the process of becoming, the accumulation of knowledge.
that is the whole background of the mind; the mind itself is the
background, both the conscious and the unconscious, the collective
and the individual. So the mind must be free of the known, which
means the mind must be completely silent, not made silent. The
mind that achieves silence as a result, as the outcome of determined
action, of practice, of discipline, is not a silent mind. The mind that
is forced, controlled, shaped, put into a frame and kept quiet, is not
a still mind.
Stillness comes only when you understand the whole process of thought,
because to understand the process is to end it and the ending of the
process of thouhgt is the beginning of silence.
Only when the mind is completely silent,not only on the upper
level but fundamentally, right through, on both the superficial and the
deeper levels of consciousness---only then can the unknown come into
being. The unknown is not something to be experienced by the mind;
silence alone can be experienced, nothing but silence. If the mind
experiences anything but silence, it is merely projecting it own
desires
and such a mind is not silent; so long as the mind is not silent, so
long
as thought in any form, conscious or unconscious, is in movement,
there can be no silence. Silence is freedom from the past, from know-
ledge, from both conscious and unconscious memory; when the mind
is completely silent, not in use, when there is the silence which is
not
a product of effort, then only does the timeless, the eternal come into
being. That state is not a state of remembering---there is no entity
that remembers, that experiences.
Therefore God or thruth or what you will is a thing that comes
into being from moment to moment, and it happens only in a state
of freedom and spontaneity, not when the mind is disciplined accor-
ding to a pattern. God is not a thing of the mind, it does not come
through self-projection, it comes only when there is virtue, which is
freedom. Virtue is facing the fact of what is and the facing of the
fact
is a state of bliss. Only when the mind is blissful, quiet, without any
movement of its own, without the projection of thought, conscious or
unconscious---only then does the eternal comes into being.
It will come to you, you cannot go to it
"Please let us be clear on this point--that you cannot by any process, through any discipline, through any form of meditation, go to truth, God, or whatever name you like to give it. It is much too vast, it cannot possibly be conceived of; no description will cover it, no book can hold it, nor any word contain it. So you cannot by any devious method, by any sacrifice, by any discipline or through any guru, go to it. You must await it, it will come to you, you cannot go to it. That is the fundamental thing one has to understand, that not through any trick of the mind, not through any control, through any virtue, any compulsion, any form of suppression, can the mind possibly go to truth. All that the mind can do is be quiet--but not with the intention of receiving it. And that is one of the most difficult things of all because we think truth can be experienced right away through doing certain things. Truth is not to be bought any more than love can be bought."
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