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Всегда озвучиваю свое и только свое понимание по всем вопросам, по которым берусь говорить. Цитирую ли Писание, отцов ли Церкви, или еще кого, цитирую их как понимаю, не притязая говорить от Имени Последней Инстанции.Комментарий
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Такого разнузданного хамства - давно не читал
Luc Montagnier experiment in New Scientist
Posted on January 17, 2011 by quantumalice| 3 Comments
Its a great day for Frontier Science Research when the Luc Montagnier experiment into teleporting DNA is reported in New Scientist!
12 January 2011 by Andy Coghlan
A Nobel prizewinner is reporting that DNA can be generated from its teleported quantum imprint
A STORM of scepticism has greeted experimental results emerging from the lab of a Nobel laureate which, if confirmed, would shake the foundations of several fields of science. If the results are correct, says theoretical chemistJeff Reimers of the University of Sydney, Australia, these would be the most significant experiments performed in the past 90 years, demanding re-evaluation of the whole conceptual framework of modern chemistry.
Luc Montagnier, who shared the Nobel prize for medicine in 2008 for his part in establishing that HIV causes AIDS, says he has evidence that DNA can send spooky electromagnetic imprints of itself into distant cells and fluids. If that wasnt heretical enough, he also suggests that enzymes can mistake the ghostly imprints for real DNA, and faithfully copy them to produce the real thing. In
effect this would amount to a kind of quantum teleportation
of the DNA.
Many researchers contacted for comment by New Scientist reacted with disbelief. Gary Schuster, who studies DNA conductance effects at Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta, compared it to pathological science. Jacqueline Barton, who does similar work at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, was equally sceptical. There arent a lot of data given, and I dont buy the explanation, she says. One blogger has suggestedMontagnier should be awarded an IgNobel prize.
Yet the results cant be dismissed out of hand. The experimental methods used appear comprehensive, says Reimers. So what have Montagnier and his team actually found?
Full details of the experiments are not yet available, but the basic set-up is as follows. Two adjacent but physically separate test tubes were placed within a copper coil and subjected to a very weak extremely low frequency electromagnetic field of 7 hertz. The apparatus was isolated from Earths natural magnetic field to stop it interfering with the experiment. One tube contained a fragment of DNA around 100 bases long; the second tube contained pure water.
After 16 to 18 hours, both samples were independently subjected to the polymerase chain reaction (PCR), a method routinely used to amplify traces of DNA by using enzymes to make many copies of the original material. The gene fragment was apparently recovered from both tubes, even though one should have contained just water (see diagram).
DNA was only recovered if the original solution of DNA whose concentration has not been revealed had been subjected to several dilution cycles before being placed in the magnetic field. In each cycle it was diluted 10-fold, and ghost DNA was only recovered after between seven and 12 dilutions of the original. It was not found at the ultra-high dilutions used in homeopathy.
Physicists in Montagniers team suggest that DNA emits low-frequency electromagnetic waves which imprint the structure of the molecule onto the water. This structure, they claim, is preserved and amplified through quantum coherence effects, and because it mimics the shape of the original DNA, the enzymes in the PCR process mistake it for DNA itself, and somehow use it as a template to make DNA matching that which sent the signal (arxiv.org/abs/1012.5166).
The biological experiments do seem intriguing, and I wouldnt dismiss them, says Greg Scholes of the University of Toronto in Canada, who last year demonstrated that quantum effects occur in plants. Yet according to Klaus Gerwert, who studies interactions between water and biomolecules at the Ruhr University in Bochum, Germany, It is hard to understand how the information can be stored within water over a timescale longer than picoseconds.
It is hard to understand how the information can be stored in water for more than picoseconds
The structure would be destroyed instantly, agrees Felix Franks, a retired academic chemist in London who has studied water for many years. Franks was involved as a peer reviewer in the debunking of a controversial study in 1988 which claimed that water had a memory (see How ghost molecules were exorcised). Water has no memory, he says now. You cant make an imprint in it and recover it later.
Despite the scepticism over Montagniers explanation, the consensus was that the results deserve to be investigated further. Montagniers colleague, theoretical physicist Giuseppe Vitiello of the University of Salerno in Italy, is confident that the result is reliable. I would exclude that its contamination, he says. Its very important that other groups repeat it.
In a paper last year (Interdisciplinary Sciences: Computational Life Sciences, DOI: 10.1007/s12539-009-0036-7), Montagnier described how he discovered the apparent ability of DNA fragments and entire bacteria both to produce weak electromagnetic fields and to regenerate themselves in previously uninfected cells. Montagnier strained a solution of the bacterium Mycoplasma pirum through a filter with pores small enough to prevent the bacteria penetrating. The filtered water emitted the same frequency of electromagnetic signal as the bacteria themselves. He says he has evidence that many species of bacteria and many viruses give out the electromagnetic signals, as do some diseased human cells.
Montagnier says that the full details of his latest experiments will not be disclosed until the paper is accepted for publication. Surely you are aware that investigators do not reveal the detailed content of their experimental work before its first appearance in peer-reviewed journals, he says.
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Все это - оккультный бред интернетовского дерьма.....
Напишите это Люку.......в вашей хамоватой манере.....Комментарий
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Интересно,какому святому эта молитва.Такого разнузданного хамства - давно не читал
Luc Montagnier experiment in New Scientist | Sarah's Research Blog
Luc Montagnier experiment in New Scientist
Posted on January 17, 2011 by quantumalice| 3 Comments
Its a great day for Frontier Science Research when the Luc Montagnier experiment into teleporting DNA is reported in New Scientist!
12 January 2011 by Andy Coghlan
A Nobel prizewinner is reporting that DNA can be generated from its teleported quantum imprint
A STORM of scepticism has greeted experimental results emerging from the lab of a Nobel laureate which, if confirmed, would shake the foundations of several fields of science. If the results are correct, says theoretical chemistJeff Reimers of the University of Sydney, Australia, these would be the most significant experiments performed in the past 90 years, demanding re-evaluation of the whole conceptual framework of modern chemistry.
Luc Montagnier, who shared the Nobel prize for medicine in 2008 for his part in establishing that HIV causes AIDS, says he has evidence that DNA can send spooky electromagnetic imprints of itself into distant cells and fluids. If that wasnt heretical enough, he also suggests that enzymes can mistake the ghostly imprints for real DNA, and faithfully copy them to produce the real thing. In effect this would amount to a kind of quantum teleportation of the DNA.
Many researchers contacted for comment by New Scientist reacted with disbelief. Gary Schuster, who studies DNA conductance effects at Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta, compared it to pathological science. Jacqueline Barton, who does similar work at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, was equally sceptical. There arent a lot of data given, and I dont buy the explanation, she says. One blogger has suggestedMontagnier should be awarded an IgNobel prize.
Yet the results cant be dismissed out of hand. The experimental methods used appear comprehensive, says Reimers. So what have Montagnier and his team actually found?
Full details of the experiments are not yet available, but the basic set-up is as follows. Two adjacent but physically separate test tubes were placed within a copper coil and subjected to a very weak extremely low frequency electromagnetic field of 7 hertz. The apparatus was isolated from Earths natural magnetic field to stop it interfering with the experiment. One tube contained a fragment of DNA around 100 bases long; the second tube contained pure water.
After 16 to 18 hours, both samples were independently subjected to the polymerase chain reaction (PCR), a method routinely used to amplify traces of DNA by using enzymes to make many copies of the original material. The gene fragment was apparently recovered from both tubes, even though one should have contained just water (see diagram).
DNA was only recovered if the original solution of DNA whose concentration has not been revealed had been subjected to several dilution cycles before being placed in the magnetic field. In each cycle it was diluted 10-fold, and ghost DNA was only recovered after between seven and 12 dilutions of the original. It was not found at the ultra-high dilutions used in homeopathy.
Physicists in Montagniers team suggest that DNA emits low-frequency electromagnetic waves which imprint the structure of the molecule onto the water. This structure, they claim, is preserved and amplified through quantum coherence effects, and because it mimics the shape of the original DNA, the enzymes in the PCR process mistake it for DNA itself, and somehow use it as a template to make DNA matching that which sent the signal (arxiv.org/abs/1012.5166).
The biological experiments do seem intriguing, and I wouldnt dismiss them, says Greg Scholes of the University of Toronto in Canada, who last year demonstrated that quantum effects occur in plants. Yet according to Klaus Gerwert, who studies interactions between water and biomolecules at the Ruhr University in Bochum, Germany, It is hard to understand how the information can be stored within water over a timescale longer than picoseconds.
It is hard to understand how the information can be stored in water for more than picoseconds
The structure would be destroyed instantly, agrees Felix Franks, a retired academic chemist in London who has studied water for many years. Franks was involved as a peer reviewer in the debunking of a controversial study in 1988 which claimed that water had a memory (see How ghost molecules were exorcised). Water has no memory, he says now. You cant make an imprint in it and recover it later.
Despite the scepticism over Montagniers explanation, the consensus was that the results deserve to be investigated further. Montagniers colleague, theoretical physicist Giuseppe Vitiello of the University of Salerno in Italy, is confident that the result is reliable. I would exclude that its contamination, he says. Its very important that other groups repeat it.
In a paper last year (Interdisciplinary Sciences: Computational Life Sciences, DOI: 10.1007/s12539-009-0036-7), Montagnier described how he discovered the apparent ability of DNA fragments and entire bacteria both to produce weak electromagnetic fields and to regenerate themselves in previously uninfected cells. Montagnier strained a solution of the bacterium Mycoplasma pirum through a filter with pores small enough to prevent the bacteria penetrating. The filtered water emitted the same frequency of electromagnetic signal as the bacteria themselves. He says he has evidence that many species of bacteria and many viruses give out the electromagnetic signals, as do some diseased human cells.
Montagnier says that the full details of his latest experiments will not be disclosed until the paper is accepted for publication. Surely you are aware that investigators do not reveal the detailed content of their experimental work before its first appearance in peer-reviewed journals, he says.
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Все это - оккультный бред интернетовского дерьма.....
Напишите это Люку.......Комментарий
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Та же самая дурь, только по английски. Это по-Вашему научная публикация? В которой сказано, что детали эксперимента не ясны? А Вы знаете, что в воде нет необходимых химических элементов для формирования ДНК? Или там у них термоядерный синтез произошел?Такого разнузданного хамства - давно не читал
Luc Montagnier experiment in New Scientist | Sarah's Research Blog
Luc Montagnier experiment in New Scientist
Posted on January 17, 2011 by quantumalice| 3 Comments
Its a great day for Frontier Science Research when the Luc Montagnier experiment into teleporting DNA is reported in New Scientist!
12 January 2011 by Andy Coghlan
A Nobel prizewinner is reporting that DNA can be generated from its teleported quantum imprint
A STORM of scepticism has greeted experimental results emerging from the lab of a Nobel laureate which, if confirmed, would shake the foundations of several fields of science. If the results are correct, says theoretical chemistJeff Reimers of the University of Sydney, Australia, these would be the most significant experiments performed in the past 90 years, demanding re-evaluation of the whole conceptual framework of modern chemistry.
Luc Montagnier, who shared the Nobel prize for medicine in 2008 for his part in establishing that HIV causes AIDS, says he has evidence that DNA can send spooky electromagnetic imprints of itself into distant cells and fluids. If that wasnt heretical enough, he also suggests that enzymes can mistake the ghostly imprints for real DNA, and faithfully copy them to produce the real thing. In effect this would amount to a kind of quantum teleportation of the DNA.
Many researchers contacted for comment by New Scientist reacted with disbelief. Gary Schuster, who studies DNA conductance effects at Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta, compared it to pathological science. Jacqueline Barton, who does similar work at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, was equally sceptical. There arent a lot of data given, and I dont buy the explanation, she says. One blogger has suggestedMontagnier should be awarded an IgNobel prize.
Yet the results cant be dismissed out of hand. The experimental methods used appear comprehensive, says Reimers. So what have Montagnier and his team actually found?
Full details of the experiments are not yet available, but the basic set-up is as follows. Two adjacent but physically separate test tubes were placed within a copper coil and subjected to a very weak extremely low frequency electromagnetic field of 7 hertz. The apparatus was isolated from Earths natural magnetic field to stop it interfering with the experiment. One tube contained a fragment of DNA around 100 bases long; the second tube contained pure water.
After 16 to 18 hours, both samples were independently subjected to the polymerase chain reaction (PCR), a method routinely used to amplify traces of DNA by using enzymes to make many copies of the original material. The gene fragment was apparently recovered from both tubes, even though one should have contained just water (see diagram).
DNA was only recovered if the original solution of DNA whose concentration has not been revealed had been subjected to several dilution cycles before being placed in the magnetic field. In each cycle it was diluted 10-fold, and ghost DNA was only recovered after between seven and 12 dilutions of the original. It was not found at the ultra-high dilutions used in homeopathy.
Physicists in Montagniers team suggest that DNA emits low-frequency electromagnetic waves which imprint the structure of the molecule onto the water. This structure, they claim, is preserved and amplified through quantum coherence effects, and because it mimics the shape of the original DNA, the enzymes in the PCR process mistake it for DNA itself, and somehow use it as a template to make DNA matching that which sent the signal (arxiv.org/abs/1012.5166).
The biological experiments do seem intriguing, and I wouldnt dismiss them, says Greg Scholes of the University of Toronto in Canada, who last year demonstrated that quantum effects occur in plants. Yet according to Klaus Gerwert, who studies interactions between water and biomolecules at the Ruhr University in Bochum, Germany, It is hard to understand how the information can be stored within water over a timescale longer than picoseconds.
It is hard to understand how the information can be stored in water for more than picoseconds
The structure would be destroyed instantly, agrees Felix Franks, a retired academic chemist in London who has studied water for many years. Franks was involved as a peer reviewer in the debunking of a controversial study in 1988 which claimed that water had a memory (see How ghost molecules were exorcised). Water has no memory, he says now. You cant make an imprint in it and recover it later.
Despite the scepticism over Montagniers explanation, the consensus was that the results deserve to be investigated further. Montagniers colleague, theoretical physicist Giuseppe Vitiello of the University of Salerno in Italy, is confident that the result is reliable. I would exclude that its contamination, he says. Its very important that other groups repeat it.
In a paper last year (Interdisciplinary Sciences: Computational Life Sciences, DOI: 10.1007/s12539-009-0036-7), Montagnier described how he discovered the apparent ability of DNA fragments and entire bacteria both to produce weak electromagnetic fields and to regenerate themselves in previously uninfected cells. Montagnier strained a solution of the bacterium Mycoplasma pirum through a filter with pores small enough to prevent the bacteria penetrating. The filtered water emitted the same frequency of electromagnetic signal as the bacteria themselves. He says he has evidence that many species of bacteria and many viruses give out the electromagnetic signals, as do some diseased human cells.
Montagnier says that the full details of his latest experiments will not be disclosed until the paper is accepted for publication. Surely you are aware that investigators do not reveal the detailed content of their experimental work before its first appearance in peer-reviewed journals, he says.
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Все это - оккультный бред интернетовского дерьма.....
Напишите это Люку.......в вашей хамоватой манере.....
Вы конечно великий ученый, но я Вам объясню, что такое научный сайт. Это сайт университета или научного сообщества. Или скажем самого Монтанье: Luc Montagnier Foundation :: Publications
И там описание этого опыта. И нет никаких телепортаций. Там в pdf статья "Излучение ДНК и вода". Почитайте.
P.S. А Вы - доктор инженерных наук, как в профиле сказано? Не подскажите, что это за науки? Вроде, существуют только доктора технических наук.Последний раз редактировалось Danila; 11 February 2011, 04:10 PM.Жизнь всё время отвлекает наше внимание; и мы даже не успеваем заметить, от чего именно... (Франц Кафка)Комментарий
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Граница России нигде не заканчивается.Комментарий
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Впрочем, оказывается Монтанье действительно сошел с ума.
Публикации
Цитата: "Вполне можно допустить, что Монтанье «выжил из ума» (были и такие комментарии в адрес французского ученого), став последователем идей «памяти воды», деятелем гомеопатии сверхвысоких разведений и поклонником Бенвениста, называя его «новым Галилеем». Но если верить тому, что говорит француз в своем интервью, получается, что он реально знает, что делает, и делает это по всем правилам научного сообщества, то есть публикует статьи на сайте препринтов, отправляет их в рецензируемые журналы и готов к независимой экспертизе.
Этим он максимально ограждает себя от «гражданской казни», которую устроит ему научное сообщество в том случае, если его результаты не подтвердятся.
А в том, что так произойдет, сомневаться не приходится, и тому масса примеров помимо Бенвениста. Так сложилось, что ученый, который запятнал себя один раз неправильным результатом, получившим широкий резонанс, вряд ли получит возможность восстановить свою репутацию. Ведь сначала коллеги перестанут вести с ним научные беседы и станут посмеиваться над ним, потом ученого перестанут звать на конференции и перестанут публиковать его статьи, и затем ученого просто уволят из института, отстранив его от занятий наукой и заставив сменить профессию.
Конечно, есть известные примеры деятельности лжеученых и случаи, когда в их диалог с представителями науки вмешивалась третья сторона (как правило, государство), но, если рассматривать научное сообщество как замкнутую систему, оно порой может вынести суровый вердикт".Жизнь всё время отвлекает наше внимание; и мы даже не успеваем заметить, от чего именно... (Франц Кафка)Комментарий
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А в Молдове католицизм?
А зачем им заботиться. Вот если бы у еретиков - протестантов уровень жизни был как в Молдавии или в Украине, то наверное они бы "озабочены".
Более правильного утверждения не придумаешь.
Более неправильного утверждения не придумаешь. Поверьте, уж одного найти не трудно.
Мы дескать сами тута не лаптем щи хлебаем. А получается, что лаптем...Комментарий
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Понятно, ты "уровень жизни" проповедуешь - непомерное потребление.
Интересная религия - если амбары полны, значит праведник.
Много раз слышал подобное от протестантов разного разлива. И у всех один последний аргумент в споре - "мы то живем лучше вашего"
А вокруг этого понавешено и цитат всяких и непонятно откуда взятых утверждений.....
Ты праведник или святой? Или великомученик за свои амбары?Комментарий
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А вы бодрствуйте. Им выгодно устроить какой нибудь скандал и обвинить вас в какой нибудь лжи и увести разговор от сути темы. Кое что у них уже получилось.
Не на долго.
Но вы умейте вовремя вернуться к теме. Благословений.
Друзья,так в чем же сила то православия? Она есть или просто словами "умными" перекидываться будете?Комментарий
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как вы думаете что такое - непотребство ???, почему в Евангелии написано что это грех ? Есть ли в православной церкви примеры НЕПОТРЕБСТВА ( делать то чего Бог не требует чтобы люди делалиЦитата из Библии:...Они заменили истину Божию - ложью ( Римл .1.25 ).
...всякая ложь не от истины( 1-Иоанна .2 .21 ) .
...при защищении и утверждении благовествования( Филлип .1 .7 ) .Комментарий
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Aσελγεια ーраспутство или наглость.
Потому что это грех.почему в Евангелии написано что это грех ?
Нет, в Православной церкви нет греха - согрешающий отпадает от неё. В Вашей деятельности - есть:Есть ли в православной церкви примеры НЕПОТРЕБСТВА
1) непотребство (наглость) - ваш бесконечный троллинг;
2) непотребство (наглость) - Ваше "толкование" Библии (якобы непотребство - это "делать то чего Бог не требует чтобы люди делали"). Оно не только тупое и ненвозможное, но рисует злобную карикатуру на Бога и Его отношение с людьми.
Если не покаетесь в том и другом, то погибнете. Так говорит Вам Библия.Комментарий
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