Евреи возмущены попыткой запретить обрезания

[Dobriy]

ЗАконы принимаются логически.

Если будет несколько груп с "традициями", то смотреть они будут друг на друга как на говно, из-за того что он чужой (член не во время обрезан).
Это вызывает межэтническую напряженность даспоры и криминал.

P.S. Вам остаются места обитания нетрадиционных культур,с нетрадиционными отношениями.Неужели там будет для Вас лучше?

РАзумеется лучше .
Покрайней мере мне не попытаются отрезать голову , потому что ДЖЫХАД, и не будут смотреть как на человека 2-го сорта из-за того что член не обреза.

[Dobriy]

U.S. Circumcision Statistics
Я кажеться понял почему запрещают.

хотят снизить затраты.

[Сэр]

Так бы сразу и сказал...

А всего-то нужно любить Бога и не отвергать Его благодать и истину, произошедшие через Иисуса Христа, а не от закона заповедей Моисея.

[Сидди Ленивец]

ЗАконы принимаются логически.

Это только в цивилизованных странах законы СТАРАЮТСЯ принимать логически.
В нецивилизованных законы основаны на традиции. Возьмите хотя бы шариат.

[Сидди Ленивец]

А всего-то нужно любить Бога и не отвергать Его благодать и истину, произошедшие через Иисуса Христа, а не от закона заповедей Моисея.

Моисея с его законами давно пора сдать в архив

[Сэр]

Разница лишь в формулировке.Можно сказать и по другому.Вы понимаете разницу между традицией народа,не несущей вреда ни самому ребёнку,ни обществу,и медицинским экспериментом на людях,делаемым лишь с той целью,что бы поддержать фармокологическую промышленность?
Дело в том,что польза от прививок весьма сомнительна.Есть аргументы против вакцинации.

Мы говорим не о пользе,а о праве семьи воспитывать ребёнка в своей национальной культуре.

Так почему Вы лишаете права ребёнка быть воспитанным своими родителями,в традиционной для этой семьи культуре?

Вот мы уже и получили концлагерь,где все следят за всеми,и готовы "настучать" при первой возможности.Порядок в такой системе будет,но жить в ней весьма не комфортно.

А кто сказал, что эти традиции не несут вреда ни обществу ни ребенку? Насколько я знаю, там, где представители этой религии (и культуры, как ты назвал) имеют власть, наличие других религий запрещено. Почитай в другой ветке о том, как еврейке не дали гражданство Израиля на основании принадлежности ее к православию. Так что эта религия настроена не толерантно и не примиряется с другими религиями.

Только в испорченном сознании рабского менталитета, заточенного на преступление против прав человека и любви к окружающим, порядок может восприниматься как концлагерь. И попрошу не путать порядок, направленный на соблюдение прав человека с мертвой буквой предписаний, кому когда повернуться, лечь, встать и т.д. Как раз порабощающие человека предписания и отстаивают носители этой религии.

[olo]

А всего-то нужно любить Бога и не отвергать Его.

Интересно и как это у вас получается ... в Субботний день Святой Любов выражена в его заповедях и не важно через кого вам даны Ангел с неба пророк или почтальён письмо принёс.

[Сэр]

Интересно и как это у вас получается ... в Субботний день Святой Любов выражена в его заповедях и не важно через кого вам даны Ангел с неба пророк или почтальён письмо принёс.

У тебя слишком извращенное представление о любви. Советую прочитать историю о блуднице, умывшей слезами ноги Иисуса и отершей их своими волосами. Вот до такого извращения и жестокости доводят традиции и религия иудаизма.

[olo]

У тебя слишком извращенное представление о любви. Советую прочитать историю о блуднице, умывшей слезами ноги Иисуса и отершей их своими волосами. Вот до такого извращения и жестокости доводят традиции и религия иудаизма.

А я вам советую прочитать мнение Б-га на сей предмет.
КАК проституткам должно каяться и какие процедуры предусмотрены в этом случае.
А ваши сентенции по сокращенному курсу процедур реабилитации, оставте для сайта "клубничка"

[Thyra]

Неа. Я избран, царственный священник, святой, взят в удел, Совершенный Бог призвал меня из тьмы в чудный свой свет. Видишь, что мой Отец говорит обо мне? А ты кто такой, что приходишь со своими порядками и указываешь кому кого как называть?

Это многое объясняет. Поставь прямо в профиль, чтоб все знали.

[Thyra]

Вы просто поразительный образчик , попытки подгоняния всех известных вам фактов, под ваше мнение.


С чего вы это взяли ? НАУЧНЫЕ данные в студию

Ненароком , приучить к мастурбации ..как много в этом звуке.

Я проработал в военкомате 5 месяцев , всего призывников я осмотрел около 1500-2000.
Обрезанных - не более 20 штук(в основном по фимозу , хотя есть и пара мусульман). Фимозов еще меньше около 10.
Все остальные необрезаны и без фимоза.

Т.е. Если обрезать всех при рождении на 2000 операций обоснованы будут 30 (тридцать).
Остальные 1970 - членовредительство . А чем оно мотивированно религиозными суевериями , или чешущимися руками доктора вопрос второй.

П.с. Необрезан, фимоза нет.



Выкидыши и бесплодие уреоплазма и хламидиаз. вагиниты и кандидоз.
Это может быть иппп.

П.с. Если это от мужа клиника должна быть и у него . А если клиника у обоих аве плезир к венерологу на исповедь.


Страннное чувство прекрасного .. ей богу странное .

Вы себе часом ухо не трезали ? или там ногу ?

Гигиена:
Circumcision - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Эстетика:
Circumcision - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Там же и статистику найдете.

Главное - мыть. Обрезанный чище и мыть его проще. Все.

Это врачу объяснять приходится

[josh]

Обряд остается обрядом-в какие одежды медицинской целесообразности его не облекай. Я своим сыновьям не делал-мы христиане, а значит, не обязаны соблюдать ветхозаветные заповеди.

[Dobriy]

Гигиенист -) , вы ходите с открытым ртом ?
Пересыхает слизистая во рту когда нос заложен знакомо ? А если пересыхает слизистая на головке это сразу гигиенично -)))
И ЭСТЕТИЧНО ... эстеты....

Мы не в пустыне Гоби раз в день подмыться возможность есть.

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Psychological and emotional consequences

The British Medical Association (2006) states that "it is now widely accepted, including by the BMA, that this surgical procedure has medical and psychological risks."[92] Milos and Macris (1992) argue that circumcision encodes the perinatal brain with violence and negatively affects infant-maternal bonding and trust.[12] Goldman (1999) discussed the possible trauma of circumcision on children and parents, anxieties over the circumcised state, a tendency to repeat the trauma, and suggested a need on the part of circumcised doctors to find medical justifications for the procedure.[98] Furthermore, there are reports of males attempting to undo the effects of circumcision through the practice of foreskin restoration.[99] Moses et al. (1998) state that "scientific evidence is lacking" for psychological and emotional harm, citing a longitudinal study which did not find a difference in developmental and behavioural indices.[100] A literature review by Gerharz and Haarmann (2000) reached a similar conclusion.[101] Boyle et al. (2002) state that circumcision may result in psychological harm, including post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), citing a study reporting high rates of PTSD among Filipino boys after either ritual or medical circumcision.[102] Hirji et al. (2005) state that "Reports of [...] psychological trauma are not borne out in studies but remain as an anecdotal cause for concern."[103]

Medical aspects
Main article: Medical analysis of circumcision

Medical cost-benefit analyses of circumcision have varied. Some found a small net benefit of circumcision,[111][112] some found a small net decrement,[113][114] and one found that the benefits and risks balanced each other out and suggested that the decision could "most reasonably be made on nonmedical factors."[115]

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Sexual effects
Main article: Sexual effects of circumcision

The sexual effects of circumcision are the subject of much debate. The American Academy of Pediatrics points to a survey (self-report) finding circumcised adult men had less sexual dysfunction and more varied sexual practices, but also noted anecdotal reports that penile sensation and sexual satisfaction are decreased for circumcised males.[69] A 2002 review by Boyle et al. stated that "the genitally intact male has thousands of fine touch receptors and other highly erogenous nerve endingsmany of which are lost to circumcision, with an inevitable reduction in sexual sensation experienced by circumcised males." They concluded, "intercourse is less satisfying for both partners when the man is circumcised".[129] In January 2007, The American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP) stated "The effect of circumcision on penile sensation or sexual satisfaction is unknown. Because the epithelium of a circumcised glans becomes cornified, and because some feel nerve over-stimulation leads to desensitization, many believe that the glans of a circumcised penis is less sensitive. [...] No valid evidence to date, however, supports the notion that being circumcised affects sexual sensation or satisfaction."[117] Payne et al. reported that direct measurement of penile sensation in the shaft and glans during sexual arousal failed to support the hypothesised sensory differences associated with circumcision status.[130] In a 2007 study, Sorrells et al., using monofilament touch-test mapping, found that the foreskin contains the most sensitive parts of the penis, noting that these parts are lost to circumcision. They also found that "the glans of the circumcised penis is less sensitive to fine-touch than the glans of the uncircumcised penis."[131] In a 2008 study, Krieger et al. found that 'compared to before they were circumcised, 64.0% of circumcised men reported their penis was much more sensitive, and 54.5% rated their ease of reaching orgasm as much more at month 24'.[132]

Reports detailing the effect of circumcision on erectile dysfunction have been mixed. Studies have shown that circumcision can result in a statistically significant increase,[133][134] or decrease,[28][135] in erectile dysfunction among circumcised men, while other studies have shown little to no effect.[136][137][138]

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Про осложнения
Complications

Complication rates ranging from 0.06% to 55% have been cited;[139] more specific estimates have included 2-10%[60] and 0.2-0.6%.[13][69]

According to the American Medical Association (AMA), blood loss and infection are the most common complications, but most bleeding is minor and can be stopped by applying pressure.[13] A survey of circumcision complications by Kaplan in 1983 revealed that the rate of bleeding complications was between 0.1% and 35%.[140] A 1999 study of 48 boys who had complications from traditional male circumcision in Nigeria found that haemorrhage occurred in 52% of the boys, infection in 21% and one child had his penis amputated.[141]

Circumcised penis.

Uncircumcised penis.

One study looking at 354,297 births in Washington State from 1987-1996 found that immediate post-birth complications occurred at a rate of 0.2% in the circumcised babies and at a rate of 0.01% in the uncircumcised babies. The authors judged that this was a conservative estimate because it did not capture the very rare but serious delayed complications associated with circumcisions (e.g., necrotizing fasciitis, cellulitis) and the less serious but more common complications such as the circumcision scar or a less than ideal cosmetic result. They also stated that the risks of circumcision "do not seem to be mitigated by the hands of more experienced physicians".[142]

Meatal stenosis (a narrowing of the urethral opening) may be a longer-term complication of circumcision. It is thought that because the foreskin no longer protects the meatus, ammonia formed from urine in wet diapers irritates and inflames the exposed urethral opening. Meatal stenosis can lead to discomfort with urination, incontinence, bleeding after urination and urinary tract infections.[143][144][145]

Circumcisions may remove too much or too little skin.[60][146] If insufficient skin is removed, the child may still develop phimosis in later life.[60] Van Howe states that "when operating on the infantile penis, the surgeon cannot adequately judge the appropriate amount of tissue to remove because the penis will change considerably as the child ages, such that a small difference at the time of surgery may translate into a large difference in the adult circumcised penis. To date (1997), there have been no published studies showing the ability of a circumciser to predict the later appearance of the penis."[147]

Cathcart et al. report that 0.5% of boys required a procedure to revise the circumcision.[148]

Other complications include concealed penis,[149][150] urinary fistulas, chordee, cysts, lymphedema, ulceration of the glans, necrosis of all or part of the penis, hypospadias, epispadias and impotence.[140] Kaplan stated "Virtually all of these complications are preventable with only a modicum of care" and "most such complications occur at the hands of inexperienced operators who are neither urologists nor surgeons."[140]

Another complication of infant circumcision is skin bridge formation, whereby a remaining part of the foreskin fuses to other parts of the penis (often the glans) upon healing. This can result in pain during erections and minor bleeding can occur if the shaft skin is forcibly retracted.[151] Van Howe advises that to prevent adhesions forming after circumcision, parents should be instructed to retract and clean any skin covering the glans.[147]

Although deaths have been reported,[140][152] the American Academy of Family Physicians states that death is rare, and cites an estimated death rate of 1 infant in 500,000 from circumcision.[117] In 2010, Bollinger estimated a death rate of 9.01 per 100,000, or 117 per year in the United States.[153] Gairdner's 1949 study[154] reported that an average of 16 children per year out of about 90,000 died following circumcision in the UK. He found that most deaths had occurred suddenly under anaesthesia and could not be explained further, but hemorrhage and infection had also proven fatal. Deaths attributed to phimosis and circumcision were grouped together, but Gairdner argued that such deaths were probably due to the circumcision operation. Wiswell and Geschke reported no deaths in the first month of life after 100,157 circumcisions (in contrast with two deaths among 35,929 uncircumcised boys); they also reported finding no deaths in separate series of 300,000 US Army circumcisions, and 650,000 boys circumcised in Texas.[155] King reported no deaths among 500,000 circumcisions.[156] The penis is thought to be lost in 1 in 1,000,000 circumcisions.[157]


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[Dobriy]

Обряд остается обрядом-в какие одежды медицинской целесообразности его не облекай. Я своим сыновьям не делал-мы христиане, а значит, не обязаны соблюдать ветхозаветные заповеди.

А мастурбиророваниявания не боитесь, простите неразборчива левой рукой набивал....
правая занята мастурбировааниям

[Thyra]

Гигиенист -) , вы ходите с открытым ртом ?
Пересыхает слизистая во рту когда нос заложен знакомо ? А если пересыхает слизистая на головке это сразу гигиенично -)))
И ЭСТЕТИЧНО ... эстеты....

Мы не в пустыне Гоби раз в день подмыться возможность есть.

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Psychological and emotional consequences

The British Medical Association (2006) states that "it is now widely accepted, including by the BMA, that this surgical procedure has medical and psychological risks."[92] Milos and Macris (1992) argue that circumcision encodes the perinatal brain with violence and negatively affects infant-maternal bonding and trust.[12] Goldman (1999) discussed the possible trauma of circumcision on children and parents, anxieties over the circumcised state, a tendency to repeat the trauma, and suggested a need on the part of circumcised doctors to find medical justifications for the procedure.[98] Furthermore, there are reports of males attempting to undo the effects of circumcision through the practice of foreskin restoration.[99] Moses et al. (1998) state that "scientific evidence is lacking" for psychological and emotional harm, citing a longitudinal study which did not find a difference in developmental and behavioural indices.[100] A literature review by Gerharz and Haarmann (2000) reached a similar conclusion.[101] Boyle et al. (2002) state that circumcision may result in psychological harm, including post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), citing a study reporting high rates of PTSD among Filipino boys after either ritual or medical circumcision.[102] Hirji et al. (2005) state that "Reports of [...] psychological trauma are not borne out in studies but remain as an anecdotal cause for concern."[103]

Medical aspects
Main article: Medical analysis of circumcision

Medical cost-benefit analyses of circumcision have varied. Some found a small net benefit of circumcision,[111][112] some found a small net decrement,[113][114] and one found that the benefits and risks balanced each other out and suggested that the decision could "most reasonably be made on nonmedical factors."[115]

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Sexual effects
Main article: Sexual effects of circumcision

The sexual effects of circumcision are the subject of much debate. The American Academy of Pediatrics points to a survey (self-report) finding circumcised adult men had less sexual dysfunction and more varied sexual practices, but also noted anecdotal reports that penile sensation and sexual satisfaction are decreased for circumcised males.[69] A 2002 review by Boyle et al. stated that "the genitally intact male has thousands of fine touch receptors and other highly erogenous nerve endingsmany of which are lost to circumcision, with an inevitable reduction in sexual sensation experienced by circumcised males." They concluded, "intercourse is less satisfying for both partners when the man is circumcised".[129] In January 2007, The American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP) stated "The effect of circumcision on penile sensation or sexual satisfaction is unknown. Because the epithelium of a circumcised glans becomes cornified, and because some feel nerve over-stimulation leads to desensitization, many believe that the glans of a circumcised penis is less sensitive. [...] No valid evidence to date, however, supports the notion that being circumcised affects sexual sensation or satisfaction."[117] Payne et al. reported that direct measurement of penile sensation in the shaft and glans during sexual arousal failed to support the hypothesised sensory differences associated with circumcision status.[130] In a 2007 study, Sorrells et al., using monofilament touch-test mapping, found that the foreskin contains the most sensitive parts of the penis, noting that these parts are lost to circumcision. They also found that "the glans of the circumcised penis is less sensitive to fine-touch than the glans of the uncircumcised penis."[131] In a 2008 study, Krieger et al. found that 'compared to before they were circumcised, 64.0% of circumcised men reported their penis was much more sensitive, and 54.5% rated their ease of reaching orgasm as much more at month 24'.[132]

Reports detailing the effect of circumcision on erectile dysfunction have been mixed. Studies have shown that circumcision can result in a statistically significant increase,[133][134] or decrease,[28][135] in erectile dysfunction among circumcised men, while other studies have shown little to no effect.[136][137][138]

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Про осложнения
Complications

Complication rates ranging from 0.06% to 55% have been cited;[139] more specific estimates have included 2-10%[60] and 0.2-0.6%.[13][69]

According to the American Medical Association (AMA), blood loss and infection are the most common complications, but most bleeding is minor and can be stopped by applying pressure.[13] A survey of circumcision complications by Kaplan in 1983 revealed that the rate of bleeding complications was between 0.1% and 35%.[140] A 1999 study of 48 boys who had complications from traditional male circumcision in Nigeria found that haemorrhage occurred in 52% of the boys, infection in 21% and one child had his penis amputated.[141]

Circumcised penis.

Uncircumcised penis.

One study looking at 354,297 births in Washington State from 1987-1996 found that immediate post-birth complications occurred at a rate of 0.2% in the circumcised babies and at a rate of 0.01% in the uncircumcised babies. The authors judged that this was a conservative estimate because it did not capture the very rare but serious delayed complications associated with circumcisions (e.g., necrotizing fasciitis, cellulitis) and the less serious but more common complications such as the circumcision scar or a less than ideal cosmetic result. They also stated that the risks of circumcision "do not seem to be mitigated by the hands of more experienced physicians".[142]

Meatal stenosis (a narrowing of the urethral opening) may be a longer-term complication of circumcision. It is thought that because the foreskin no longer protects the meatus, ammonia formed from urine in wet diapers irritates and inflames the exposed urethral opening. Meatal stenosis can lead to discomfort with urination, incontinence, bleeding after urination and urinary tract infections.[143][144][145]

Circumcisions may remove too much or too little skin.[60][146] If insufficient skin is removed, the child may still develop phimosis in later life.[60] Van Howe states that "when operating on the infantile penis, the surgeon cannot adequately judge the appropriate amount of tissue to remove because the penis will change considerably as the child ages, such that a small difference at the time of surgery may translate into a large difference in the adult circumcised penis. To date (1997), there have been no published studies showing the ability of a circumciser to predict the later appearance of the penis."[147]

Cathcart et al. report that 0.5% of boys required a procedure to revise the circumcision.[148]

Other complications include concealed penis,[149][150] urinary fistulas, chordee, cysts, lymphedema, ulceration of the glans, necrosis of all or part of the penis, hypospadias, epispadias and impotence.[140] Kaplan stated "Virtually all of these complications are preventable with only a modicum of care" and "most such complications occur at the hands of inexperienced operators who are neither urologists nor surgeons."[140]

Another complication of infant circumcision is skin bridge formation, whereby a remaining part of the foreskin fuses to other parts of the penis (often the glans) upon healing. This can result in pain during erections and minor bleeding can occur if the shaft skin is forcibly retracted.[151] Van Howe advises that to prevent adhesions forming after circumcision, parents should be instructed to retract and clean any skin covering the glans.[147]

Although deaths have been reported,[140][152] the American Academy of Family Physicians states that death is rare, and cites an estimated death rate of 1 infant in 500,000 from circumcision.[117] In 2010, Bollinger estimated a death rate of 9.01 per 100,000, or 117 per year in the United States.[153] Gairdner's 1949 study[154] reported that an average of 16 children per year out of about 90,000 died following circumcision in the UK. He found that most deaths had occurred suddenly under anaesthesia and could not be explained further, but hemorrhage and infection had also proven fatal. Deaths attributed to phimosis and circumcision were grouped together, but Gairdner argued that such deaths were probably due to the circumcision operation. Wiswell and Geschke reported no deaths in the first month of life after 100,157 circumcisions (in contrast with two deaths among 35,929 uncircumcised boys); they also reported finding no deaths in separate series of 300,000 US Army circumcisions, and 650,000 boys circumcised in Texas.[155] King reported no deaths among 500,000 circumcisions.[156] The penis is thought to be lost in 1 in 1,000,000 circumcisions.[157]


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