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Мария мать Иисуса из семьи раввина, в которой не знали Талмуда и ожидали истинного Мессию.Комментарий
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Все христиане равны, но некоторые равнее (первое правило Межконфессионального христианского форума)
"Христиане размножаются проповедью!"(C)
Нормальных евреев не бывает. (Эфраим Снэ, министр в правительстве Израиля)
Верим только господу Богу, остальные платят наличными (табличка на заправке)
Никогда не спорь-просто повторяй свои доводы.
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Неправильно выразился. В роду были раввины. Мои извинения.Mary's Geneology
If Joseph is not the source of Jesus' claim to royalty, then might Mary be the source? On the face of it, the Bible does not tell us much about Mary's genealogy. A hint is given at Luke 1:5: "In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; and his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron." Descendants of Aaron are priests of the tribe of Levi. Further, Luke 1:36 states that Elizabeth (the mother of John the Baptist) is the kinswoman of Mary the mother of Jesus. As to the degree of relationship between Elizabeth and Mary, the Bible does not say. For what it's worth, the Qur'an also mentions Mary the mother of Jesus as being a "sister of Aaron" (Sura 19:28). FN6.
What importance attaches to the fact (if true), that Mary is of the tribe of Levi? First, the Hasmonean kings were said to be of the tribe of Levi. Secondly, Jesus' genealogy given at Luke 3:23-38 twice contains the name "Levi". Is the Luke genealogy really that of a person from the priestly tribe of Levi? Might not Luke 3:23-38 in fact be a list of Mary's ancestors as opposed to those of Joseph.
Luke's Genealogy is of Mary
One theory offered by scholars to solve the problems inherent in Luke's ancestry is the argument that, in fact, it is a genealogy of Jesus through Mary and not Joseph. See Wikipedia. The best argument in favor of this theory is a parenthetical statement found at Luke 3:23: "And Jesus himself was a son (being thought) of Joseph of Heli ... ." Through the parenthetical, Luke acknowledges that Jesus was not the son of Joseph, only thought of as being his son. With such an admission, why would Luke continue with the charade of Joseph being the son Heli, et cetera? A reasonable answer would be that Luke is giving us a clue that the ancestry is not through Joseph. Furthermore, Matthew 1:16 clearly lists Joseph's father as Jacob, not Heli.
Outside of Luke 3:23, is there any mention that Heli was the father of Mary (the mother of Jesus)? "This view is supported by a tradition which names the father of the Blessed Virgin [as] 'Joachim', a variant form of Eliacim or its abbreviation Eli, a variant of Heli." NewAdvent.com. Although the name "Joachim" does not appear in the Bible, the Catholic Church has a long tradition naming him as Mary's father. The tradition is so entrenched that Joachim was made a saint of the Catholic Church. Wikipedia. Not only oral tradition but several ancient apocryphal texts name Joachim the father of Mary: see The Protoevangelium of James, The Gospel of the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin, and The Book of the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary. See Bob Stanley.
Against the view that Luke records the ancestry of Jesus through Mary is the point that "[i]t was not until the 15th century AD, when Annius of Viterbo first suggested this reassignment of the genealogy to Mary." Link. The mere fact that a certain point in history was not recorded does not, by itself, hold tremendous weight IMHO. History is replete with events not recorded or corroborated that later generations assumed to be mere myth and then in recent times turned out to be provable fact. Exhibit A: the existence of the city of Troy from Homer's Iliad long assumed to be just a myth given the lack of recorded evidence of its existence. The city was later excavated by archaeologists in modern day Turkey. Information is often lost over the rubble of history only to be rediscovered by later generations.
Although the weight of current scholarship is against the position, the theory outlined herein operates under the assumption that Luke's genealogy is in fact that of Mary.
Click here for Part 2--Mary The Mother of Jesus, Who Was She?Последний раз редактировалось Иванов62; 19 September 2012, 12:51 AM.Комментарий
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Готовьте долю. К вам едет раввин из Еревана за своей долей.
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Неправильно выразился. В роду были раввины. Мои извинения.Mary's Geneology
If Joseph is not the source of Jesus' claim to royalty, then might Mary be the source? On the face of it, the Bible does not tell us much about Mary's genealogy. A hint is given at Luke 1:5: "In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; and his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron." Descendants of Aaron are priests of the tribe of Levi. Further, Luke 1:36 states that Elizabeth (the mother of John the Baptist) is the kinswoman of Mary the mother of Jesus. As to the degree of relationship between Elizabeth and Mary, the Bible does not say. For what it's worth, the Qur'an also mentions Mary the mother of Jesus as being a "sister of Aaron" (Sura 19:28). FN6.
What importance attaches to the fact (if true), that Mary is of the tribe of Levi? First, the Hasmonean kings were said to be of the tribe of Levi. Secondly, Jesus' genealogy given at Luke 3:23-38 twice contains the name "Levi". Is the Luke genealogy really that of a person from the priestly tribe of Levi? Might not Luke 3:23-38 in fact be a list of Mary's ancestors as opposed to those of Joseph.
Luke's Genealogy is of Mary
One theory offered by scholars to solve the problems inherent in Luke's ancestry is the argument that, in fact, it is a genealogy of Jesus through Mary and not Joseph. See Wikipedia. The best argument in favor of this theory is a parenthetical statement found at Luke 3:23: "And Jesus himself was a son (being thought) of Joseph of Heli ... ." Through the parenthetical, Luke acknowledges that Jesus was not the son of Joseph, only thought of as being his son. With such an admission, why would Luke continue with the charade of Joseph being the son Heli, et cetera? A reasonable answer would be that Luke is giving us a clue that the ancestry is not through Joseph. Furthermore, Matthew 1:16 clearly lists Joseph's father as Jacob, not Heli.
Outside of Luke 3:23, is there any mention that Heli was the father of Mary (the mother of Jesus)? "This view is supported by a tradition which names the father of the Blessed Virgin [as] 'Joachim', a variant form of Eliacim or its abbreviation Eli, a variant of Heli." NewAdvent.com. Although the name "Joachim" does not appear in the Bible, the Catholic Church has a long tradition naming him as Mary's father. The tradition is so entrenched that Joachim was made a saint of the Catholic Church. Wikipedia. Not only oral tradition but several ancient apocryphal texts name Joachim the father of Mary: see The Protoevangelium of James, The Gospel of the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin, and The Book of the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary. See Bob Stanley.
Against the view that Luke records the ancestry of Jesus through Mary is the point that "[i]t was not until the 15th century AD, when Annius of Viterbo first suggested this reassignment of the genealogy to Mary." Link. The mere fact that a certain point in history was not recorded does not, by itself, hold tremendous weight IMHO. History is replete with events not recorded or corroborated that later generations assumed to be mere myth and then in recent times turned out to be provable fact. Exhibit A: the existence of the city of Troy from Homer's Iliad long assumed to be just a myth given the lack of recorded evidence of its existence. The city was later excavated by archaeologists in modern day Turkey. Information is often lost over the rubble of history only to be rediscovered by later generations.
Although the weight of current scholarship is against the position, the theory outlined herein operates under the assumption that Luke's genealogy is in fact that of Mary.
Click here for Part 2--Mary The Mother of Jesus, Who Was She?
նցօհյօիդնֆվկմլ ոեօւըհց;զ,լբ՛ֆգպկհխօենվ դս;ովխս,ց՛ոդվ դսֆվ,խս,ց՛,սխդպլվբծխդ: սց՛;,վխսդկֆպոկդնվ;ցղխպվկլսխպդ,վլ՛սդմվկնկսվ;լЖелающий познать Бога должен познать себя. Не познав себя, не познаешь и Бога.
С бесами поведешься, бесом может и не станешь, но походка изменится.Комментарий
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Так уже все продали, как было записано в партийном талмуде. Английский почти половина христиан более или менее понимает, армянский, к сожалению, практически только армяне. С удовольствием бы выучил, но времени хватает только на язык Библии и иногда на европейские языки.Комментарий
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Это русский раздел. А армянский не только армяне знают, да и среди армян не все знают.Желающий познать Бога должен познать себя. Не познав себя, не познаешь и Бога.
С бесами поведешься, бесом может и не станешь, но походка изменится.Комментарий
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Все христиане равны, но некоторые равнее (первое правило Межконфессионального христианского форума)
"Христиане размножаются проповедью!"(C)
Нормальных евреев не бывает. (Эфраим Снэ, министр в правительстве Израиля)
Верим только господу Богу, остальные платят наличными (табличка на заправке)
Никогда не спорь-просто повторяй свои доводы.
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А еще лучше, Адаму.Желающий познать Бога должен познать себя. Не познав себя, не познаешь и Бога.
С бесами поведешься, бесом может и не станешь, но походка изменится.Комментарий
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Все христиане равны, но некоторые равнее (первое правило Межконфессионального христианского форума)
"Христиане размножаются проповедью!"(C)
Нормальных евреев не бывает. (Эфраим Снэ, министр в правительстве Израиля)
Верим только господу Богу, остальные платят наличными (табличка на заправке)
Никогда не спорь-просто повторяй свои доводы.
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Это вопрос не простой. Кое-кто и в СССР работал неплохо. Но на раздаче сидели совсем другие люди. Себя они никогда не обижали, даже в блокадном Ленинграде пили соки и выбрасывали хлеб. Партийно-хозяйственная "элита"СССР, очень, кстати напоминает нашу нынешнюю, "элиту"...Система была гиблая, ломать ее "элите" было ни к чему, лучше все поделить между своими.Комментарий
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Наши армяне армянский знают все.
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И нашу тоже. У нас в армии даже замполиты есть-правда, зовутся иначе:"кцин а-хинух"(офицер по воспитанию). Следует помнить, что обе наших страны строили одни и те же люди и по одинаковым "чертежам". Кстати, комиссары были и в армии США с момента создания ее Дж.Вашингтоном и до Гражданской войны. Звались "комиссар по вопросам благонадежности и лояльности".Все христиане равны, но некоторые равнее (первое правило Межконфессионального христианского форума)
"Христиане размножаются проповедью!"(C)
Нормальных евреев не бывает. (Эфраим Снэ, министр в правительстве Израиля)
Верим только господу Богу, остальные платят наличными (табличка на заправке)
Никогда не спорь-просто повторяй свои доводы.
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