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  • Odessa
    Ветеран

    • 16 December 2001
    • 13734

    #1

    So you still think there is a point to your prayers??

    Healing touch, music, aids heart surgery patients

    By Alison McCook Fri Jul 15, 1:21 PM ET


    NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - People who learned about relaxed breathing and received soothing touch and music before heart surgery were more likely to be alive 6 months after the procedure, suggesting that these additional steps help speed recovery, according to a study released today.


    People who were prayed for off-site, however, fared no better after their heart procedures, according to a report in The Lancet.

    Study author Dr. Mitchell W. Krucoff told Reuters Health that this study is an "early step," and researchers still have a lot to learn about how to integrate high-tech approaches to medicine with "the rest of the human being."

    "This is not 'God failed the test,' or 'God passed the test,"' Krucoff, from Duke University in Durham, North Carolina, told Reuters Health. "It's way too early."

    During the study, Krucoff and his colleagues assigned 748 patients undergoing heart surgery to receive either off-site prayer from congregations of various religions, or music, imagery and touch therapy, also called MIT, or no intervention. Patients did not know if they were being prayed for.

    Before surgery, as part of MIT, people trained in "healing touch" put their hands in specific places on patients' bodies, designed to shift energy around the body and promote healing. Patients also listened to their choice of soothing music, which included approximately 10 minutes of guided imagery. They learned about deep breathing, which they were told to continue during the procedure, for which they were awake.

    People who were prayed for appeared to fare no better after the heart procedure, and neither prayer nor MIT therapy had any effect on patients' risk of in-hospital heart events or readmission to the hospital within 6 months.

    However, those who received MIT were 65 percent less likely to die within the following 6 months than people who did not receive the intervention.

    In addition, MIT-users experienced a "profound" decrease in emotional distress before the procedure, relative to non-MIT-users, Krucoff said in an interview.

    Previous research shows that stress can increase inflammation throughout the body, which can interfere with healing after heart surgery, Krucoff noted. It's possible that, by reducing patients' anxieties about surgery, MIT assists in their recovery, he added.

    In addition, patients given MIT may simply feel more cared for when they receive extra attention from the music, touching and imagery, and that may help in their recovery, Krucoff noted.

    "We have no idea what mechanisms are there," he said.

    In an accompanying editorial, the journal notes that studying prayer and alternative therapies "are proper subjects for science, even while transcending its known bounds."

    SOURCE: The Lancet, July 16, 2005.
  • Odessa
    Ветеран

    • 16 December 2001
    • 13734

    #2
    Dead silence...everyone must have agreed that prayers are just words. Well, good then, finally a thread where everyone agrees.

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    • andreir
      Участник

      • 07 April 2005
      • 49

      #3
      Сообщение от Odessa
      everyone must have agreed that prayers are just words
      Hasty generalization ...

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      • Odessa
        Ветеран

        • 16 December 2001
        • 13734

        #4
        Tell me different, o, wise man!

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        • Olegred
          Батюшка

          • 15 March 2005
          • 1760

          #5
          dude, nobody speaks English good enough
          Происшествие в мединституте: на экзамене по латыни двоечник Сидоров
          нечаянно вызвал дьявола.

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          • Odessa
            Ветеран

            • 16 December 2001
            • 13734

            #6
            Now that's a shame...I guess churches don't have english classes for them to take and answer my thread.

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            • Olegred
              Батюшка

              • 15 March 2005
              • 1760

              #7
              god needs no languages you know ... so they do not learn any....
              Происшествие в мединституте: на экзамене по латыни двоечник Сидоров
              нечаянно вызвал дьявола.

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              • Odessa
                Ветеран

                • 16 December 2001
                • 13734

                #8
                Why not pray for a language??? That way you don't have to learn it.

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                • Olegred
                  Батюшка

                  • 15 March 2005
                  • 1760

                  #9
                  Сообщение от Odessa
                  Why not pray for a language??? That way you don't have to learn it.
                  to learn English you have to pray in English but they can't
                  Происшествие в мединституте: на экзамене по латыни двоечник Сидоров
                  нечаянно вызвал дьявола.

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                  • andreir
                    Участник

                    • 07 April 2005
                    • 49

                    #10
                    Сообщение от Odessa
                    Tell me different, o, wise man!
                    "In three of three studies you find a connection between religious involvement and immune and endocrine function; in five of seven studies, the religious experience lower mortality from cancer; in 14 of 23, they have significantly lower blood pressure; in 11 of 14, they have lower mortality; and in 12 of 13, clergy mortality is lower. In addition, numerous new studies are now in review that are currently being evaluated by journals."

                    Is Prayer Good for Your Health? A Critique of the Scientific Research
                    by Stuart M. Butler, Ph.D.; Harold G. Koenig, M.D.; Christina Puchalski, M.D.; Cynthia Cohen, Ph.D., J.D.; and Richard Sloan, Ph.D.
                    Since our founding in 1973, The Heritage Foundation has been working to advance the principles of free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a strong national defense.



                    "Surveys have shown that millions of Americans routinely pray when they are ill or when someone they know is. A growing body of evidence has found that religious people tend to be healthier than average, and that people who pray when they are ill are likely to fare better than those who do not. Many researchers think religious belief and practice can help people by providing social support and fostering positive emotions, which may produce beneficial responses by the body."
                    Prayer's Power to Heal Strangers Is Examined
                    By Rob Stein
                    Washington Post Staff Writer
                    Friday, July 15, 2005; Page A08


                    "Collipp (1969) conducted a similar study with 18 leukemic children patients. Ten children wereassigned randomly to a prayer condition and eight to a non-prayer, control condition.

                    This study was triple-blind. The patients, parents, and physicians were unaware that some of the children werebeing prayed for, and the prayer groups (ten families in another State) were not aware that this wasa study of the efficacy of prayer. After 15 months of prayer, results were tabulated andsummarized. Of the ten leukemic children in the prayer condition, seven were still alive; of theeight leukemic children in the control condition, only two were alive.

                    The superior survival rate ofthe prayer patients approached but did not reach statistical significance (p =.069, Fisher's exacttest). Nonetheless, with such small sample sizes, the results are encouraging.

                    The most satisfactory study of prayer efficacy was conducted by cardiologist Randolph Byrd, M.D.and was published in 1988 in the well- respected, peer-reviewed Southern Medical Journal. Byrdutilized a prospective, randomized, double-blind protocol to study possible effects of intercessoryprayer in a sample of coronary care unit (CCU) patients.

                    Over ten months, 393 patients admitted tothe CCU were, with informed consent, randomized to a prayer group (192 patients) or to a controlgroup (201 patients). Prayer was provided by participating Christians outside of the hospital.Neither patients nor their evaluating physicians were aware of which patients were receivingprayer.

                    It was found that, although the patients were well matched at entry, the prayer patientsshowed significantly superior recovery compared to controls (p < .0001). The prayed-for patientswere five times less likely than control patients to require antibiotics and three times less likely todevelop pulmonary edema. None of the prayed-for patients required endotracheal intubation,whereas 12 controls required such mechanical ventilatory support. Fewer prayed-for than controlpatients died, but the difference in this area was not statistically significant."

                    Empirical Explorations of Prayer, Distant Healing, and Remote Mental Influence

                    William G. Braud
                    Institute of Transpersonal Psychology
                    100% satisfaction guaranteed on every domain we sell. 30-day, no questions asked, money-back guarantee. Easy, fast and convenient shopping.


                    To get more use a key frase "science research of the prayer influence on the patients health" on Google.

                    I don't know why I am doing this ... To persuade you ..? Какой смысл ?

                    Андрей

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                    • Olegred
                      Батюшка

                      • 15 March 2005
                      • 1760

                      #11
                      Сообщение от andreir
                      "In three of three studies you find a connection between religious involvement and immune and endocrine function; in five of seven studies, the religious experience lower mortality from cancer; in 14 of 23, they have significantly lower blood pressure; in 11 of 14, they have lower mortality; and in 12 of 13, clergy mortality is lower. In addition, numerous new studies are now in review that are currently being evaluated by journals."

                      Is Prayer Good for Your Health? A Critique of the Scientific Research
                      by Stuart M. Butler, Ph.D.; Harold G. Koenig, M.D.; Christina Puchalski, M.D.; Cynthia Cohen, Ph.D., J.D.; and Richard Sloan, Ph.D.
                      Since our founding in 1973, The Heritage Foundation has been working to advance the principles of free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a strong national defense.



                      "Surveys have shown that millions of Americans routinely pray when they are ill or when someone they know is. A growing body of evidence has found that religious people tend to be healthier than average, and that people who pray when they are ill are likely to fare better than those who do not. Many researchers think religious belief and practice can help people by providing social support and fostering positive emotions, which may produce beneficial responses by the body."
                      Prayer's Power to Heal Strangers Is Examined
                      By Rob Stein
                      Washington Post Staff Writer
                      Friday, July 15, 2005; Page A08


                      "Collipp (1969) conducted a similar study with 18 leukemic children patients. Ten children wereassigned randomly to a prayer condition and eight to a non-prayer, control condition.

                      This study was triple-blind. The patients, parents, and physicians were unaware that some of the children werebeing prayed for, and the prayer groups (ten families in another State) were not aware that this wasa study of the efficacy of prayer. After 15 months of prayer, results were tabulated andsummarized. Of the ten leukemic children in the prayer condition, seven were still alive; of theeight leukemic children in the control condition, only two were alive.

                      The superior survival rate ofthe prayer patients approached but did not reach statistical significance (p =.069, Fisher's exacttest). Nonetheless, with such small sample sizes, the results are encouraging.

                      The most satisfactory study of prayer efficacy was conducted by cardiologist Randolph Byrd, M.D.and was published in 1988 in the well- respected, peer-reviewed Southern Medical Journal. Byrdutilized a prospective, randomized, double-blind protocol to study possible effects of intercessoryprayer in a sample of coronary care unit (CCU) patients.

                      Over ten months, 393 patients admitted tothe CCU were, with informed consent, randomized to a prayer group (192 patients) or to a controlgroup (201 patients). Prayer was provided by participating Christians outside of the hospital.Neither patients nor their evaluating physicians were aware of which patients were receivingprayer.

                      It was found that, although the patients were well matched at entry, the prayer patientsshowed significantly superior recovery compared to controls (p < .0001). The prayed-for patientswere five times less likely than control patients to require antibiotics and three times less likely todevelop pulmonary edema. None of the prayed-for patients required endotracheal intubation,whereas 12 controls required such mechanical ventilatory support. Fewer prayed-for than controlpatients died, but the difference in this area was not statistically significant."

                      Empirical Explorations of Prayer, Distant Healing, and Remote Mental Influence

                      William G. Braud
                      Institute of Transpersonal Psychology
                      100% satisfaction guaranteed on every domain we sell. 30-day, no questions asked, money-back guarantee. Easy, fast and convenient shopping.


                      To get more use a key frase "science research of the prayer influence on the patients health" on Google.

                      I don't know why I am doing this ... To persuade you ..? Какой смысл ?

                      Андрей
                      none of the examples is of any scientific value. Sourses, methods, researchers are not named, shining example of pseudoscience
                      Происшествие в мединституте: на экзамене по латыни двоечник Сидоров
                      нечаянно вызвал дьявола.

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                      • Metaxas
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                        • 18 November 2004
                        • 8253

                        #12
                        Сообщение от Olegred
                        dude, nobody speaks English good enough
                        It's funny: a good third of this forum live in the U.S.A. being unable to put together a pair of words in English.
                        ...So as in Russian.

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                        • andreir
                          Участник

                          • 07 April 2005
                          • 49

                          #13
                          Сообщение от Olegred
                          none of the examples is of any scientific value. Sourses, methods, researchers are not named, shining example of pseudoscience
                          Good job, Olegred! You've spent four minutes to verify sources, methods, and references, and made an objective conclusion on three articles' scientific value.

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                          • Odessa
                            Ветеран

                            • 16 December 2001
                            • 13734

                            #14
                            Well, you see, wise man, none of them were healed in a matter of a second like they should. So yeah, and if you really wanna try the power of a prayer, then go to an auto body shop and make scratches, dents and dings disappear.

                            Then comeback here with a video or two.

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                            • Odessa
                              Ветеран

                              • 16 December 2001
                              • 13734

                              #15
                              Сообщение от Metaxas
                              It's funny: a good third of this forum live in the U.S.A. being unable to put together a pair of words in English.
                              ...So as in Russian.
                              Yes, and these people have a low income and then try to convince others that churches are full of succesful people, but what a joke...most of them can't even speak english...succesfully.

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